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Disliking the new squarepusher...
 

offline CORTEX from Canada on 2002-10-03 13:08 [#00391686]
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i cant believe how fast his new album is selling, and how
equally fast people dismiss it.

it's been out since tuesday over here, and i already saw 5
of them in the local second hand record store. i was
surprised.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-03 13:09 [#00391690]
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It sucks and i hate it. i won't be buying it. its
embarrasing. f-train is the only good track...but you know
old that gets? it gets old fast. sad.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-03 13:11 [#00391695]
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Actually its incredibly embarrasing because those 'newbies'
who see the question 'do you know squarepusher?' might get
that as their first cd and expect sp to be like that
throughout his discography. But there are much better cds
than that out there.


 

offline CORTEX from Canada on 2002-10-03 13:14 [#00391699]
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it's true what you say for people wanted to get into
squarepusher and trying dyks right off the bat. but come to
think of it, it was the same with ae's confield, though
confield is a masterpiece, it just took some time to get
into it.


 

offline Verkrampte from Renton (United States) on 2002-10-03 13:21 [#00391708]
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i thought it was awful


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-03 13:21 [#00391709]
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maybe...but sp didn't really need to include that live set.
rubbish.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-10-03 13:28 [#00391719]
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THIS is no masterpiece... the more I listen, the more I
dislike it. Same with Gantz Graf, actually...

Now Confield... that's the epitome of ''sucks at first, but
will be amazing if you give it time''... what an album, it
has this demented magic.


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-10-03 13:28 [#00391720]
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I love the new []<
"Kill Roboc" is one of the craziest coolest tracks i have
heard , blowes my mind !!
He IS the fucking daddy!!


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-03 13:38 [#00391731]
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F-Train rapping...

"Aformations become distant light sources pin point curved
fragments.

Mysterious elements constretching (?) incubator (?)
illuminate strange tangents.

Electrocution intigrate into life on stretcher beds.
Conceved by airborne sickness.

Savanic (?) cold avenues of silence.

Get into grits prepreation for long falls. Staircases
previously seen only by the dead.

Seems to position in time with the United States (?)

But return to areas (?) like fools running into doors (?)

oh forget it...i can't get the rest of it.

[my try at the chorus]

Action discrepincy (?) indicated text consealed controlled
anomoly,

Mutilation economy reflects triangular energy,

something avoid the diagram, invisibility,

and some other big words im not going to try to figure out
by the low tone voice."

Well folks, you don't see that kind of rap coming out of New
York hehe...



 

offline Verkrampte from Renton (United States) on 2002-10-03 13:51 [#00391746]
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''sucks at first, but will be amazing if you give it time''


thats what happened to me with Linkin Parks Hybrid Theory


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-03 13:53 [#00391750]
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err..


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-10-03 14:02 [#00391767]
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LOL flea... hehe
(i second that "err..")

yeah im not crazy about the new squarepusher.... i like his
old stuff more..

...but im not ruling out the possibility that it may become
amazing with time, who knows....
...it doesn't seem that way now though:(
i hope it gets better with time!

what happened to the brilliant mad-genius squarepusher we
know and love!
this is just mad squarepusher!
(of course it has its moments... its good, but i've come to
expect AMAZING from squarepusher)


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-03 14:03 [#00391770]
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no one is reading along to my rap :(

anyone think its correct?


 

offline pomme de terre from obscure body in the SK System on 2002-10-03 14:36 [#00391801]
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I don't hear Tom saying "question mark" so much..


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-10-03 14:41 [#00391804]
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yes yes its very nice...

..but, you know, the entire thing, the real lyrics, have
been posted several times and are available (i believe) on
watmm.com...
if ur curious to see how accurate you were


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-10-03 14:43 [#00391806]
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I think its "mutilation colony" instead of "mutilation
economy"


 

offline Joyrex from watmm.com (United States) on 2002-10-03 14:45 [#00391812]
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they are in the articles section of the squarepusher site at
watmm.com.

I agree - with the exception of the title track and his
cover of Love Will Tear Us Apart, it's wank. I wish he would
go back to his old sound, but he's the artist, so it's his
decision. First AE, now SP. Next AFX will release some
unlistenable gabber crap and further alienate his fans.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2002-10-03 14:50 [#00391819]
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Yeah, it sucks pretty bad, what the fuck what the shit, why
would one buy a album with 2 good tracks and pointless "live
CD"


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-10-03 14:51 [#00391822]
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i love it

i like Gantz Graf and DYKS? i like that harsh cold sound



 

offline aron from saskatoon (Canada) on 2002-10-03 14:53 [#00391824]
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i love dyks also.

muthafuckazzz..
it will never be repeated!!!!!!


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-10-03 14:54 [#00391825]
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Me to.
I like cutting edge experimantals , listening to it is like
watching fireworks or a really amazing cirkus performer to
me.

I agree on the Live cd tho , pretty pointless-


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-10-03 15:10 [#00391832]
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Just reinforces my low opinion on live IDM.


 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-03 15:11 [#00391834]
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the live set sounds raw and metallic somehow, can't listen
to it too often, i'm afraid. the energy is awesome, though

i like most of the tracks on the ep, but the tracks don't
seem to belong together. not much evolution since go
plastic.

still, if you want a problem with your neighbours, it's
perfect ;)


 

offline aron from saskatoon (Canada) on 2002-10-03 15:15 [#00391840]
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i actually reaqlly like the live disc
except for the bad quality

it would've been nice to hear some older stuff on there and
some live bass playing

but still, meh
it's not bad



 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-03 18:25 [#00391989]
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i hope DYKS grows on you dykes like confield... not to say
i'm better than y'all but i loved both immediately :)


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2002-10-03 19:13 [#00392032]
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huh, i guess i'm not the only one who is thoroughly
dissapointed with DYKS?. and what the hell is up with that
"live" album? its essentialy just go plastic played back for
a crowd on a cd player. toms worst i reckon.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-10-03 19:23 [#00392038]
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who are squarepusher?


 

offline bagpuss606 from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-03 19:32 [#00392044]
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Did you like Druqks? Cause I thought that was shit for ages
and now it's on daily rotation round mine. Even my mum's
into it now. Well, not all the tracks.

At the time it got slagged by a lot of people who said it
was just a contract-breaker, a piss-take, see what the saps
will pay money for - "You cunt. You stupid cunt!" etc.

Is this the case with Do You... - is he saying we're all a
bunch of "DYKS" to buy this record? I've had it a while on
MP3, found it a bit boring, haven't really tried listening
to it much. But I should give it a proper try before I
judge.

I bought Go Plastic and it did my nut in. It took an
extended mong-out session in the back of my car, months
later, to convince me of its worth. I'm listening to I Wish
You Could Talk right now.


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2002-10-03 19:36 [#00392047]
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thing about drukqs was, it had potential from the get go.
now i absolutely love it, wouldn't have it any other way.
whereas, with DYKS, i'm completely uninterested. its just so
bland. sounds like Go Plastic outtakes.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-03 21:12 [#00392096]
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how can you not see the longterm value in the title track
and mutilation colony if nothing else?


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-10-03 21:17 [#00392097]
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I never disliked it... I just thought there wasnt enough
music on there.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-03 21:20 [#00392098]
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i totally agree; he's holding out on us. he spent many
months recording, i know he has other material and i'm sure
he could've put some better tracks on this mini-album.


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2002-10-03 21:41 [#00392106]
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hmm, i suppose that was one of my problems with it. but i
honestly don't think mutilation colony is that good. this is
one that probably won't grow on me.


 

offline corn_mouth from santiago (Chile) on 2002-10-03 21:45 [#00392110]
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this is getting old, fast critics on great albums_drukqs,
confeld, and now this. c´mon fellas, before you judge,
specially on idm, ye gots to be patient, and let it grow on
you. i love the album, the only track i think is weak is
the joy division cover, other than that, and with the live
in japan cd......a little jewel. little it is.


 

offline zaphod from the metaverse on 2002-10-03 21:48 [#00392111]
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jesus man...i gave confield a year and a half, and i sort of
like it. i gave drukqs from the day it came out to the
present and i love it, but DYKS, well, it sucks and i doubt
its going to get any better.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-10-03 22:04 [#00392114]
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i liked Confield right away too..
..thats not too say it wasn't "challenging", but i knew i
liked it right away, and i have grown to love it more and
more.

the scarey thing is i didn't get the same thing with DYKS!
what if i dont grow to love it?!?

(dont get me wrong here though.. like i said before, i think
some (about half) of the songs are great... it just doesn't
seem to be up to squarepusher's usual standards of...
uh..... good shit! lol


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-03 22:54 [#00392136]
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it's easy to say something "sucks" when it's just come out
and you don't click with it right away... personally i think
all of the tracks on DYKS are great. my favorites will
change. "mutilation colony" is fantastic if you're familiar
w/ musique concrete.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-10-03 23:11 [#00392141]
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i especially dislike the last trac. u wouldn't even
anticipate anything such as that from squarepusher (from a
negative view).


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-10-03 23:14 [#00392146]
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i dunno, the attitude of the release can throw u off too.
the very title of it seems to have some bitterness about
it..


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-10-03 23:14 [#00392147]
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I liked Confield from the very second of VI Scose Poise. It
wasnt challenging at all except for Pen Expers...which I
thought was over drawn at first. Although I still think
that its awesome. The whole cd reeks of genious and it will
be the cd all IDM looks to. Its the highlight. We'll never
see anything more organized. ever.


 

offline Ubik from United States on 2002-10-03 23:17 [#00392149]
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actually... i think this is what Tom J wanted to put out...
so if you don't get "it", well, you 'don't know
squarepusher' i would think he would say... i don't think he
is interested in releasing "traditional" songs at the
moment... it is challenging, but "sucks"?...no... the first
track is great no matter what, and the sound of "love will
tear us apart" grows on me even although the vocals seem
like he was too embarrassed to try to really sing so he just
sorta softly sang half-assed as in a 'didnt want to disturb
the person in the next room' style...

the live disc though... havent listened too closely yet, but
really seems kinda pointless... can't tell what is live and
what isn't... plus i'm pissed that he pulled out of his gig
at the wexner center, so i'm bitter, the bastard!


 

offline DeLtoiD from Ontario on 2002-10-03 23:58 [#00392177]
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I've been actually looking forward to hearing a live
squarepusher set...

may be pointless to you. but i've been looking forward to it
for a very very long time... to bad it was go spastic!

would have LOVED to hear feed me weird things live!


 

offline Pigfarmer from Ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-04 01:22 [#00392197]
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I think the new EP is cool. I ve listened for the
Squarepusher since Port Rhombus.
I have the same feeling like when Big Loada came out. After
Hard Normal Daddy it was quite disappointing because it was
too "straight" and unjazzy. Go Plastic was a Masterpiece no
doubt.
"Do you know Squrepusher" is weak in my Opinion. I think
"Anstromm-Feck 4" is totally WICKED !!!! This cheap Midi
Bassline just blew my Mind. The other Tracks are all of a
good Quality but I think no on can beat tracks like "My
fucking sound" , "Boneville Occident" or Red Hot Car. The
live CD is okay but why didnt they take the sound out of the
mixing desk than just place a minidisc with a cheap
microphone next to the bar? Squarepusher knows how to do it
better. Im also disapointed that he isnt playing bass at
all. I think that is what hes doing best ! The Tracks are
live mostly the same as on Go Plastic so why should I listen
to that Crap Quality.

To you guys on the Messageboard : Try to judge the single
tracks instead of saying "It sucks" or "Its splendid.


 


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