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after sitting for long periods listening to aphex and squarepusher and autechre and the like I've decided this. IT IS INTELLIGENT. everyone complains about the name idm cause it comes accross as pompous and prideful saying it's more intelligent than other dance music but damnit it is more intelligent than other dance music if you haven't notice how much work goes into even 5 seconds of a squarepusher beat as apposed to a prodigy beat that hits hard( and yes it does hit hard and it's good but try and bare with me) it's just plain more complicated and smarter music. I'll get crap for this. but I don't care. I'm right :) _John |
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it is intelligent but i dont think it is dance music it should be IM |
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I do however agree with that, it isn't dance music per say. some of it is dance-able but it's focus is just on music in general and usually the pushing of the envelope there in. _John |
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IDM is a stupid term. The end. $.02 |
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yes some tracks by plaid are danceable but most of the rest artists may have one or two most "IDM" is mood(including hate and anger) or chill or lounge music, the D should be dropped fro IDM |
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Call it "braindance", that's what Joyrex does... |
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it is not a stupid term if you understand that the music is generally alot more complicated than other music. especially electronic music which has become an endless competition of who has the better gear and can pump the fattest beats and there is very little brain left in that. aside from the other artists I mentioned, squarepusher is one of the most intelligent electronic artists I know. and as far as the term being pompous and prideful. well... sometimes it's fun to be pompous and prideful. screw it. |
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I do agree that it is intelligent and well thought out music, but there are acoustic/electric bands/artists that have these same qualities. You wouldn't call a band like Meshuggah or Sleepytime Gorilla Museum IDM, but they have intelligently composed songs. |
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i really don't mind the term idm. who cares. it's music,. |
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That kind of came out wrong though, my frist post. I see exactly what you are saying and I agree wholeheartedly. |
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i dont think its intellegent. terms like "hedphuq" and "snarerush" prove my point. Anyone that refers to a section as the "hedphuq" section, is not a very intellegent person imo. sure, IDM has alot of time put into it... lots of feeling, but that doesnt mean its intellegent alot of time is spent in makeing britney spears songs. They have to be catchy, appeal to a wide audience of children, have good sound... but in no way would i call it intellegent. |
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calling a section of a song the hedphuq section doesn't have anything to do with how intelligent you are. sometimes you just want to use silly words even though you are a bright persion. and you still could never convince me that the programming on any squarepusher album is not completely brilliant and intelligent. And the sampling abilities he has with live gear. that takes talent and intelligence. More so than your average pop song, Idm focuses on every little detail of every sound and every measure becomes a part of the painting. there are squarepusher songs that every single measure of the song is different. completely non-loopy. that takes smarts. |
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no it takes talent and hardwork those 2 things do not define intellegence |
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to make britany spears music is easier cause theres already a set formula! its such a step by step set up they might as well come out with a new toy called "make a song"..you know like those home science kits. might as well...im sure anyone could make a great pop song..it aint that hard. id like to see most pop artists like Avril Lasagna (sic) sit down with some gear and come out with a glitch peice or drill and bass. she couldn't do it... no, lets get our dumb skateboarder friends together in my video while i lipsinc....oh so much hard work...gleesh! |
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that nsync sng, pop is intelligen coz it has drill n bass beatboxing. hehe, i don't mind the name, it's just a name. Having no mane for the genre is sorta pretentious. but i like braindance better. works for me coz most of my stuff is dancible. |
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ok, i cant beleive im defending pop music but come on man, give it more credit then that if pop was SOOOO easy, everyone would be millionare pop stars yeah there is a set formula, but using the formula to come up with a #1 single... now thats hard please, id love to see any of you write a pop song and have it come anywhere near the charts just like they wouldnt know what to do with electronica gear, electronic musicians most definatly wouldnt be able to produce a #1 single |
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it does take hard work and talent. AND INTELLIGENCE. something that is complicated takes intelligence to create it's just fact. and my point is that idm is generally extremely complicated with many layers. complicated art requires more intelligence than simple art. not that the people that make simple art aren't smart they just didn't use as much intelligence. it's still good art(if it's good) |
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LMAO @ Od_Step_Cloak!!! nsync drill n bass beatboxing! I WANNA SEE THAT!!! :) |
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simple art, complex art, intellegence... its all relative |
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pop music has alot more factors to why the song gets on the charts. the right look the right timing the right company pushing you. great smile and the attitude people want at the moment. none of that has anything to do with the music. not that I think anyone can write a great song but most people can pretty much crap out a pop song that is comparable to those that are popular. |
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sure it's relative. But we are comparing art here so the relativity is a valid point. |
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Zeus: k see this is what the average person needs which obviously has no ties into 'intelligence' or 'skill' 1) gotta look sexy for MTV 2) gotta dance good 3) gotta be cool If you have all these things PLUS you're a girl or good looking guy with stubble...PLUS a great song done up by someone else you're going ot get to number one. other than that skill won't get you to number one. no sirree bob...that won't happen. well..it did with ok computer ..but thats a diff story. im talking in america. |
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yes, while these are all factors... i still dont think you, or anyone here could make a great pop tune not even a good one, or decent one based purely on music, no other factors |
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I totally agree with john. most of why a song gets to number 1 has no ties into the actual music. sure it sounds good but uhh..duhh..does the singer look pretty..uh duh dudh skjfaskd. i get sick at that kind of attitude. |
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no, and i agree with you zeus. records like ok computer for instance stand out cause of their genius...it just doesn't happen any more! people don't care!! they're not looking for skill...just pretty people and quick catchy tune...blah... lets just leave catchy tunes to tv ads eh? |
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I know for a fact I can write a good pop song. I play guitar bass keyboard piano drums and sequence on a computer and do sampling. I have been for over a decade now and I know how to write a pop song. |
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i want 1 hour long epics on radio stations more often! buggers! |
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then im sure you got recordings of them im dying to hear them |
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off subject, about that hour long epic comment. When I complete an album that I wish to produce and get into the hands of the world I plan on recording the whole thing live as one track and burning that one track onto cd. |
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and just because you can play multiple instruments, it doest mean you can write a song any kind |
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I don't have recordings of them because I do not write pop songs. I know I can because I know my abilities but I do not write them because I think they are boring and annoying. |
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I know multiple instruments doesn't mean I can. But I can. I know my abilities. |
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sweet john, love to hear it! ANTI-RADIO!!! :) |
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what a load of bullshit you go try to write the songs, then come back you cant "know" you can write good pop you have to do it |
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HE KNOWS HIS ABILITIES! PLEASE STAND BACK!! :) |
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i'd like to point that most idm beyond the "stars" of idm is formulatic. you have autechre, aphex, squarrepusher, boc, plaid, venetian snares, mabey jega or brothomstates. everyone else is riding on the coatails of these other artists...just like every other genre. right now there is 1000 bands trying to sound like the strokes |
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haha, you're a fool. I've been doing music long enough you don't think I can know what I can and cannot do? I can jump a foot in the air but you know what I can't remember the last time I did that. But I still know I can do it. |
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but you said youve never written a pop song... so how do you know your abilities if youve never done it? you are the typical egotistical musician type that I hate |
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Here i'll show you how to make really good pop lyrics in less than 15 min. here we go....STAND CLEAR OF MY VERNACULAR WIZDUM! The Luv of Sk8ters Oh please baby boy come over To my house get on over You are the only one for me In all this rain around me I love you skater boy i love you skater boy i love you skater boy i love you skater boy why did you have to do that oh baby oh baby you know i got hurt you know i got hurt i cried and you weren't there i love you skater boy i love you skater boy i love you skater boy i love you skater boy *hard guitar part* i love you skater boy i love you skater boy i love you skater boy i love you skater boy *hard drum part* i love you skater boy i love you skater boy i love you skater boy i love you skater boy you're the only one for me! That there ladies and gentlemen is the template from which most pop comes up from. i shall now burn this template in hopes that we'll never see or hear pop again *burns template* |
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I didn't say I never have I said I don't write them. you asked if I had some to show you and I don't cause I don't but I have writen them in the past. I mean I wrote a song for a girl when I was 16 that was of the pop persuasion and it was pretty much the crap you hear on the radio. I'm not egotistical, for the most part I think I'm shit but I know when I can and can't do something. |
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come guys all music is hard..... writing catchy melodies is hard than a bunch of noise. trust i've been making cool sounding noise for years. but writing songs you're mom and little kids will like is really hard.....otherwise everyone would be famous......theres more working idm artists than there are famous pop stars |
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We're supposed to be elitists here. we're SUPPOSED to be better than this fighting. now lets all stare at completely white paintings and submit deep essays on what the painter meant by white. |
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All I said is I could write a pop song if I wanted to and whats his face said I couldn't. I'm wondering how the hell he should know what I can do? |
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who wants to be a depressed pop star who gets millions later on to get drunk and run into a ditch when they can be someone COOL WITH A WHOLE WACK OF COOL GEAR!!! i sure would want the gear part :) |
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this conversation is pointless im goin to bed keep dreaming buddy goodnight |
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wanting a whole wack of cool gear. here is a quote from squarepusher I found on the idea of having lots of music gear. "I simply ask that people don't assume that there's a direct relationship between quantity and quality. Or perhaps there is, but it's the inverse of what you would assume it to be. That is, the less you have the more sincere it is." Although having gear is fun, I love what I have but I've gotten over a little of my gear lusting days. |
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Im quite enjoying myself in this convo. i think you can make a cool pop song john. i really think anyone can. didn't i just make one up top there? take a look at my hard pounding super deep words. they'd touch any 14 year old im sure :) |
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YOU MADE THAT UP JOHN! :) i know i know..im not 'lushting' gear. id just rather have some stuff than a million dollars. im dead serious. that amount of money just aint healthy boys and girls...it doesn't lead to good places. |
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Zeus, you have no grounds to even pretend to know that I could not write a good pop song. I never said I could write a number one hit but I know I could write a song comparable in quality to a number one hit. You know nothing of me or my music. Assuming that I can't simply because you think it is hard is idiotic because honostly people do write pop songs all the time. If people do then it is quite possible I can too, so get over it and accept the fact that maybe I could do what I say. damn. |
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GUYS STOP FIGHTING AND LOOK AT THAT WHITE PAINTING! :) |
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