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I've noticed that there is a lot of opposition to whether or not we should attack Iraq again....and from what I see on the news lately it's gonna happen I think.... Is there so much opposition here on the message board because al lot of you are of the age of consciption, single males 18-23?? Just wondering! |
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....I think I should be OK. I hope. *looks nervous* |
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the opposition is not limited to this mb, 74% of the UK public on Channel 4's debate last night were opposed and even more beleive parliament should be recalled before any action is taken. Its one thing elected leaders disregarding the will of the people , But its even worse when elected leaders are also disregarded It seems that western democrasy remains merely a nice idea ..... |
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How old are you though, and would you go? |
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27 ; and I'm British , so there are no call-ups in modern warfare in our country. But, no I wouldn't anyway. I don't beleive in dying for an unjust cause, and nobody else should have to either |
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Conscription papers were drawn up last time back in '91 - I remember it, 'cos we were all crapping ourselves in college, hehehehe! |
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Lol, yeah but at least where I come from military service doesn't exist any longer and i doubt they are going to send the tender youth over to fight along side the professional army... Our oppostion does not stem from fear but from reason... |
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Military service doesn't exist here either, but do you not think that (and you'll think that this is a terrible thing to say) that our governments would conscript young males, as not to 'waste' trained experienced military personel? |
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:) but only 57 allied troops died in that "War" so theoretically we would have "Won" it with only 58 troops. Shit, we could have sent a whole army over on a National Express coach and still won ! imagine that 58th guy, the survivor ; driving the coach home through the streets of London through clouds of ticker- tape with a big-band fanfare.... "It was me, yup, I did it . Thank you. " waves.salutes.acclamation. :D |
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No way, that would lead to a Vietnam War 60s style student/young male's revolt! |
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I do not know much about the Vietnam war sorry, so I cannot comment.... :( |
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I don't think we should attack iraq. I just think of all those poor people who have died in iraq because of economic sanctions and many more will die if there is an attack. I want weapons inspection to resume to make sure that there aren't any weapons of mass destruction. I do not agree with sadam though he seems to be an evil man but I would prefer to see an uprising by the people in Iraq to topple him rather than a lot of people dying in an attack by the US or the UN. |
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Well you`ll be safe anyway,arn`t you around 30? I would probably be safe from conscription because I work in the care field [people still need 24 hour care].I still oppose it though. |
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in 1996 alone 500,000 children died in iraq due to US economic sanctions. i got that figure from an article i read by arundhati roy. and yes, i would trust her writing. i think she is very reputable. also with conscription.... there is no way i would ever go to war. there is no way i would ever fight for my country, i'd go to jail first. unfortunately the australian prime minister (john howard) has his cock lodged firmly up george bushes arsehole...... so there is little chance of australia shaking this one off. |
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Nice expression, very graphic... |
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I reckon they'd have a revolt on their hands if they tried to enlist people for this war... It's just too unpopular and the govt wouldn't dare.... |
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You think? |
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He's not wrong though! |
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i think a call for conscription in australia would cause a huge uproar. big problems for the gov! |
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I saw on the news, one of the main US arms inspectors to Iraq, saying there was absolutely no proof that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction &tc... |
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so you believe in the news now marlowe.......tsk,tsk. |
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If there was proof, I think Bush would be shoving that proof in your face everyday until the attacks began. There is more to this than the Taliban/weapons of mass destruction issue. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, Iraq had the highest living standards in the Gulf area. Saddam was investing large amounts of money on his people. Now, the US doesn't like this because it's not what a country is supposed to do. The US interests are in foreign investments (Iraq has oil). That's one of the reasons the allied dropped so many bombs on Iraq in 1991. To make sure they were bombed back to the stone-age. A similar thing happened under Reagan, when the US created and funded the Contras to disrupt the Sandanista government in Nicaragua. They also invested large amounts of money on their population. The 1998 attacks on Iraq were partly or wholly excused with Saddam's attack on the Kurds in 1988. 1988 was the peak year of military aid from the US to Iraq. Don't even for a second think there are noble causes behind this. It's all about the money. -P |
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Here's something else to think about, if you were Sadam Hussein, why shouldn't you be able to have Nuclear capability, and be able to protect yourself? |
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He is not mentally fit to rule a pile of shit, much less a country with nukes? -P |
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stop fucking war!!! stop ruling the world for money... usa get out of our lifes |
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Hello my friend, how are you? |
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you have to tell that to President (I would back stab my own mother for oil, drugs and money.... and my partner dick cheney is a CEO who fucked over his own company, and I look like a retarded monkey cowboy) Bush himself |
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Heh. Way to rip off Bill Hicks :) |
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Who is Bill Hicks ? |
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:) |
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In the history of the US, nearly everytime a war has occured near the end of the presidents term, that presidents party has gone on to win the next election. Bush has some reasons to go to war that aren't exactly in the best interests of his people. Lets just say that if the elections in November favor the republicans senate, we're screwed. |
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Like Paco said, Saddam is not fit to rule a pile of shit much less a country with nuclear weapons. We're talking about an extremely paranoid man here who, on whim, personally executes those that would disagree and oppose his views. A man who suffers from extreme dellusions of grandeur.. It seems to me that the United Nations has never had the balls to do anything. Possibly because of the proximity issue, I really don't know... But why would he suddenly decide that the conditions of the treaty we signed were no longer valid? Doesn't that make anyone else a little suspicious? Instead of hearing "stop fucking war!!! stop ruling the world for money... usa get out of our lifes" I'd like to hear some intelligent alternatives to what we should do. I mean, it's been what? 4 years now since we've been able to investigate? This is a serious issue. |
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oh you're right there. it is serious and we need to find alternatives to bombing the shit out of a country. As you said, Saddam has a country to rule. He may be paranoid, but i doubt he would attack the US unprovoked, knowing that we would literally destroy Iraq. Hes still a danger though, and the country obviously needs someone else to rule. |
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Drop the economic sanctions and send in the weaponsinspectors. Saddam agrees with it. |
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the usa needs to back the fuck off.... i can just imagine what the reaction world wide would be if we tried to take on another little war... the US is a bully... |
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well, the reaction is already pretty bad. |
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There is no intellegent thing to do when circumstances have led people thinking about war. A smart thing to do would be to start an underground anti Iraq opposition rebel force (Believe it or not... there are people who live in iraq who oppose and want sadam out of power. But the problem is, if anybody gets caught holding a meeting, or even speaking of opposing saddam they will be executed) Smart people in washington have spoken of this briefly, but people were too busy looking at the granduer of all the political gain from starting, and winning a war, part of their bullshit anti terror campaign from 9/11. All from which started and came from the CIA firebombing all afgan farmland and trying to gain oil. () this link has information and goverment documents stating that President Bush knew that there were going to be attacks on a large scale agianst the U.S.... sorry getting off topic. I think the only viable option IMO is to give help and assistance (firearms, training) to the Iraq underground rebels. Its Iraqs problem, but all Bush wants to do is start something his daddy couldnt finish, to gain oil control over Iraq. Nuclear war is bad illbiet, but when U.S intellegence speaks of ACTUAL nuclear launching capabilities (ie.... when he is housing silos and has launch technologies that are capable of launing rockets on a world scale) is the day we should intervien. Not when we say..... In two years from now... he will have these capabilities.... The middle east has all types of problems, they need to figuere them out on their own. What sucks about this, is that Mr. Bush is fucking up US world relations so bad... everyone things we are oil hungry capitalist monkies just like him. And we have Iraq calling us the GREAT SATAN. Great. So we are in a situation were its, your damned if you do... and your damned if you dont. The Bush family have fucked us over the US people in soo many ways. If you dont believe me check out the patroit act. It takes away amendment librities. If they think you are related to terrorists i |
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in any way.... you can be convicted without trial, people can search your home without any search warrents, they take away your freedom of speech.... its really scary. It makes me wonder how long it is before people in the US actually start getting into politics and start fighting the good fight. Because if people dont get invovled soon.... there is not going to be much of a (United) States left after these capitolist swine fuck it for what its worth. |
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here is a link .... |
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Tell me about the economic sanctions, I'm not quite sure I know about that. I did a brief search on google but couldn't come up with anything comprehensive. |
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Well you're not online but you may come back so... Basically the UN has placed sanctions on Iraq which prohibit countries trading with Iraq. This means that the population don't get the food, medicine, equipment etc that they need. This was dressed up to be a humanitarian alternative to bombing but it has already killed over 100,000 children as a DIRECT consequence of sanctions. It is basically economic warfare and just as, if not more, deadly than bombing (BTW we've been bombing Iraq every week for the last 10 or so years). Here's a (reputable) link: http://pilger.carlton.com/iraq/impact |
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