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           Asche XL
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 Is it really as bad as we all make it out to be? I have a  story i was gona share tonight but ill save it for another  time. Whats everyones thoughts on conforming? (like  socially) 
 
  
         
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           Aktium
             from cleveland (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:24 [#00160155]
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i don't know,,, tell your story. we promise we won't stone  you to death 
 
  
         
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           diemax
             from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:29 [#00160156]
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actually i'm just about to get stoned to death anyways, wtf  are you guys talking about? conforming? is it a song, or  just the concept? 
 
  
         
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           xlr
             from Boston (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:31 [#00160158]
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you mean, conforming to pop culture, peers, authority?   please elaborate.  
 
  
         
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           Zen Storm
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it's pretty much a social construct of the mind....somethign  we invented and encourage, I think it can snowball into  something horrible (ie the S.S. and the Nazi's), and it  encourage one to drop what makes them unique 
 
  
         
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           Zombiekev
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i think most people against conforming are conforming  anyway.
  i am who i am naturally. if i end up looking like others, its cause that's what i  am.
 
  my tastes in life may be that of the same of others, but  they are still mine.
  i really believe that conforming is excepting things without  knowledge of its source.
  its excepting things just to except them. not because you want to. or would like to.
  i think many so called rebels, are just conforming to  wanting attention.  so that act wild and ignorant.
  some call them goths. some call them wiggers. i just see them as ignorant. they don't know their source.
 
 
  
         
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           The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 06:43 [#00160165]
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Conforming sometimes is good I think... but also going  against the majority is good sometimes as well... you gotta  stand up for what you believe, and be yourself and all, but  you can't do it all the time... I don't know, it's hard to  say... you just have to be yourself... if you're going  against who you are then it's just unnatural, and not  good...  
 
  
         
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           Zombiekev
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its definately hard to be yourself all the time. some people have trouble accepting you, because they are  ignorant.
  they don't wonder why you think or act a certain way, they  just assume.
  but, i do hate when people act depressed and dark just cause  they are goths.
  or talk and act in stupid ways just cause they are wiggers  and thats their thing.
 
  i think that people still need reasons to their actions.   people need to be real.
 
 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 16:52 [#00160317]
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by using english, or any structured language, we are  conforming surelY? 
 
  
         
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           Taxidermist
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No. We are conditioned to use english. Altho I guess thats  conformity.
 
  We were conditioned to enjoy lord of the rings. That kinda  pissed me off. 
 
  
         
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           Ubik
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i always think it is funny how people join a "group" of  "peers" to avoid conforming to the mainstream, but actually  some people end of conforming to that alternative group  obssessively, and end up just as  shallow as any boring  mainstream person.  they make sure they have all the right  clothes and accessories for their group, and affliate  themselves to all the proper music, books, movies for their  supposedly non-conforming alternative group... so they can  feel like they belong.  i've seen gay and lesbian guides  literally listing what is supposed to be their favorite  music, movies, and the "correct" styles of clothing, to make  sure they fit in correctly... seems kinda silly to me... 
 
  other examples are obvious... religions, cults, goths,  punks, club kids, professional upscalers, bodybuilers,  hicks... whatever... at least this "IDM" doesnt have a dress  code... 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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maybe conformity is genetic? would we naturally conform  w/out pressure &tc? 
 
  
         
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           Asche XL
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I totaly agree with zombiekev, you need to conform to some  extent once and while to "avoid conflicts" with idiots who  dont understand you... 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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so that would be a compromise then - and if someone didn't  understand me because they mentally unable to, i wouldn't  compromise 
 
  
         
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           The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:09 [#00160346]
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actually we just learned about this type of thing in  Psychology... people do tend to conform when in groups...  for instance, if you're in a group, and you have to answer  this question, if you don't know the answer yourself, and  all the other group members answer the same answer, you're  probably gonna conform and say the same answer... but that  makes sense, cause you just assume that the other people  know, and that they're right... but it also worked for when  you thought you knew, but everyone else said a different  answer... you're more likely to choose there answer I  believe... but I dunno, that's kinda different then  conforming to a group about likes and dislikes and all that,  but I suppose it's similar in a way too... :) 
 
  
         
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           Ophecks
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I'm such a loner, that it seems the only way of life I  conform to is my own. I'd wear the same fucking shirt for a  week straight if it was socially acceptable... I don't  conform to some dresscode. But I mean, I have to conform  SOMEWHAT, don't want to be TOO much of a slob. :-)
 
  Nobody understands me, and I'm not going to change or act  differently because I want to be accepted. 
 
 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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yeah i would say it was linked
 
  
         
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           Darth manchu
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[RANT]For me, conforming is adopting ideas and the culture  of a group that my not have been your before.
 
  i try not to conform, but its very hard to try and lead your  own life 24/7. Sometimes its cool to take in styles as much  as it is to make your own.[/RANT] 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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Ophecks, by saying that nobody understands you, aren't you  conforming to that classical (ie cliched) symptom of  teen-angst? (i have no idea how old you are bTW) 
 
  
         
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           Zombiekev
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           The_Funkmaster
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yeah, conforming is good in some instances... an example, if  I had some friends over, and we wanted to put some music on  while we played a board game (it has happened) well I'm not  gonna put on Autechre or Aphex Twin, cause I know that they  wouldn't like it... so in that case I would conform to try  and please each person there... in a case like that I think  that conforming is a good thing... it doesn't mean I'm  compromising who I am or anything, it's just that I don't  need to annoy these people with this music that I know they  wouldn't like, so I'll put something on that we all like...  
 
  
         
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           Ophecks
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I have no teenage angst, I don't GIVE a shit that nobody  understands me. And they don't. That's just fine, it's the  way I like it. I'm not really COMPLAINING about it,  angst-style, just pointing it out. People around me know I'm  nothing like them, and let me do my own thing. 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:23 [#00160359]
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well if it's in your record collection, then choosing to  play something else over aphex twin is a compromise  more than an act of conformity, surely? i do not mean you  are compromising your principles or anything 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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yeah i didn't say you had teen angst, just that the specific  statement you made conformed to an.."axiom" of teen-angst -  just an example of how it really is nigh on impossible to  escape conformity really 
 
  
         
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           Zombiekev
             from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 18:26 [#00160363]
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it'd be a whole lot cooler if people just knew how to except  others. 
 
  
         
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           The_Funkmaster
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yeah ok, well it's a good compromise in everyones favor...  but yeah, it's not like I'm saying, "Ok, I hate Autechre and  Aphex Twin, so I'll put on this cd which you guys like  instead"...  
 
  
         
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           Darth manchu
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Corporations love conformity. Example - fast food.  Everything right down to the spatula is exactly the same the  world over. 
 
  
         
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           The_Funkmaster
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           marlowe
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yeah i hate the way McDonald's &tc are openin stores all  over the world - One Culture (culture? pah)seems to be the  future :( 
 
  
         
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           Darth manchu
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I hate the adverts they have, where everyone seems really  happy and they all look the same. Grrr.... i contemplate  homicide when i see them. 
 
  
         
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           The_Funkmaster
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Burger King doesn't conform, we believe in the individual,  and we charesh uniqueness...
 
  *A Burger King executive hands over a big bag of money to  The_Funkmaster*
 
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           marlowe
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they deeply depress me...really they do -- which  makes me more depressed for being such a sucker 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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funkster you sell out!! :P
 
  
         
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           Ophecks
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Hmmm, I had McDonalds about 20 minutes ago... I'm so ashamed  of myself!!!
 
  Isn't it great to walk around your college and see everyone  in the same Columbia jacket, and the same Gap sweater, and  the same Tommy Hilfiger jeans, and the same Fubu crap, and  the same everything... hell, even the way people do their  hair... it's illegal not to gel it up and do that spiky  thing, apparently. 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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it's horrible walking thru the streets of my town being  judged as uncool by a thousand cliques - i am glad that i  don't conform, but i do get mad & affected by them. i can't  help it!! 
 
  
         
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           Ophecks
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I have no desire to be a part of  any of these ridiculous cliques, and I know they think I'm a  loser, and I don't care, but they still get under my skin...   but they're just so boring and average and normal...  there's not enough interesting and unique INDIVIDUALS  around, so these cliques really get on my nerves, even  though I try not to let them. 
 
  
         
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           Asche XL
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You want to hear an example of what happened to me last  night. I was chillin with my friend and we came across like  20 people from my school who arent really like me and my  friend at all , but we chilled with them anyway, and this  girl started talking to me. She wsa diggin me and shit and  she asked what i was into, if i told her the truth she would  have gave me a look like huh?, so im like yeah i listen to  everything shes like you like rap and stuff im lke yeah its  all good yada yada yada, hehe and she was eating it all up,  i thought it was funny in a way, but still. By bs'in a bunch  of people i got like 20 sn's and #'s so i duno. I think its  good to have some friends that understand you and some that  dont , just to have some variety in your life. 
 
  
         
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           Asche XL
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because if you dont conform to society in some way shape or  form, you'll be all alone all the time 
 
  
         
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           Asche XL
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Dont get me wrong though i am my own person =)
 
  
         
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           phiz
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conformity is ingrained into you from birth and its your  brain naturaly questioning why you are living a life that  isn't natural to what you where born to do. 
 
  
         
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           REFLEX
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I dont see what the problem Is. Really if you dont conform  sometimes you get stuck in the same spot socially in life,  for the rest of your life. I was not about to be one of  those crust punks when im 40 years old. 
 
  I dont speak up on my soap box like these fools. Conforming  is something that happens anyway. Socially especially. And  its ok to do for certain reasons I think.  
 
  
         
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           phiz
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money has alot to do with conformity. if you are finacialy secure it would probly be easier to  live a non-conformist life 
 
  
         
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           REFLEX
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But Ive always had a good amount of money behind me.... and  such. I conformed the biggest one in history... going from  hardcore punk rocker.... the hardestcore style you see.....  to the preppy guy in "nice" clothes.... thats ok though.. it  was a process. 
 
  
         
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           Conformist
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I can't believe I missed out on this thread! :-P
 
  
         
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           glass_eater
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conforming to the social economical actual feeling, will put  your brain in such a stade, you won't even may able to  understand this difficult word...!
 
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           Conformist
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Suppose you conform to a life lead by intellect? I think  you'd understand the word then ;) 
 
  
         
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           titsworth
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try this
 
  
         
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           earthleakage
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by choosing not to conform, you are conforming with all the  non-conformists
 
 
 
  
         
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           titsworth
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which is even worse because it's totally contrived
 
  
         
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           earthleakage
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exactly my point!
 
  
         
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