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offline LuckyPsycho from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-15 08:20 [#00514858]
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I've started to get increasingly pissed off at the way in
which I have been guided into my life by my parents,
society, and (more so) the state.

When I was at school I was indirectly told that becoming a
carpenter, or a plumber, or a brick layer, or an
electrician, or a plasterer...etc.. was a shit thing to do,
that would lead me nowhere. And, that that sort of job was
only for dumb people.

Now I'm 25 and have been through the system, got my degree,
and started working in IT... as I was supposed to.
I now find that my career prospects, while still ok, are
hindered by the fact that every fucker was told the same
thing as me, and hence I have to fight to find decent work,
and watch while mid and low range IT pay falls each year.
While pay for skilled tradesmen continues to increase.
If I had left school at 16 or 18 and gone into an
apprenticship as a plumber, or carpenter, I would now be
fully qualified, and be able to use my skills ANYWHERE in
the world at ANYTIME. I would love to go to Africa or some
other 3rd world place and use my skills and knowledge to
help those people. But most African villages need running
water and food... not a DBA, or support analyst, or java
developer... or whatever the fuck it is I do!!


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-15 08:29 [#00514864]
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ooh, hark at mister glass-is-half-empty

:p


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-15 08:31 [#00514865]
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I work in computers.

I LOATHE my job.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-15 08:34 [#00514870]
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Yes. I had a natural aptitude for plastering. If I had done
an apprentiship and got good at that I would be earning 3
times as much as I do now.

Electricians get paid a lot too.

That said. Africa needs DBAs too- get a job at the red
cross/christian aid as a DBA for a lower salary if you weant
to help. Lots of charities have IT jobs as understandably an
international charity has huge logistic needs.


 

offline xceque on 2003-01-15 08:40 [#00514877]
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I studied IT at college and uni, I'm now 31 and work in IT,
for a registered charity, from home, and I thoroughly enjoy
it.


 

offline LuckyPsycho from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-15 08:41 [#00514878]
Points: 369 Status: Lurker



I'm not bitter about it really, its just something that has
come to my attention recently.

Its a bit of a worry for the future, cos kids are still
being told the same things, and being encouraged to go to
university to study something for 3-4 years that (in most
cases) is entirely irrelevant to the rest of there lives.

Blair wants to see 50% of school leavers in university...
and all of those graduates are going to expect (as I did) a
'graduate' job... are there that many graduate jobs out
there?!


 

offline TonePu5her from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-15 08:41 [#00514879]
Points: 3640 Status: Regular



Yeah I should have stayed on at college and become a general
nurse for the NHS..But I wanted money ie. full time job.I
choose to work at a jewelry store acting like Carol
Vorderman on acid,being all happy to arsey customers.
A dead end job.

Plumbing is the best trade to go into at the moment.Up to
40k a year.



 

offline LuckyPsycho from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-15 08:43 [#00514884]
Points: 369 Status: Lurker



I'm not saying that I couldn't do charity work... I just
would have liked to have been given the opportunity to do
some sort of manual work... or at least have been told about
it.

Thats not to say I cant start now either



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-15 08:47 [#00514891]
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Yeah, where I worked as a labourer before (and thats all it
was despite the "botanist" job title- half the people there
knew as much about plants as me) there was a drive for the
people to do 3 year uni courses... it wasn't needed for the
job we did. People should just accept that some jobs don't
need to be "graduate jobs" and it's silly to pretend they
do.

I always think business course are the funniest. "Teaching
business" seems oxymoronical. How much better of would the
kids be if they spent those 4 years starting their own
business? They'd leave with no debt (or at least less than a
graduate) and have far more useful experience than the
latest american management style. Management seems less and
less effective. I can count on one hand the number of
managers I've had I'd consider "good". Most just pull rank
all the time and lack the technical knowledge to understand
issues when you go to them for help.

Xceque: I'd probably like to do what you're doing
eventually.



 

offline TonePu5her from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-15 08:48 [#00514892]
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Is IT work THAT bad?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-15 08:49 [#00514895]
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I've done both and I have to admit whilst I like the "idea"
of manual labour it does get bloody boring. The number of
days where I felt suicidal whilst just digging holes etc.
particularly if you're working alone rather than with
someone you can talk to. I wouldn't mind doing metal work (I
used to love forge work), but again I need more mental
stimulation than that. There's no way I could do that all my
life...


 

offline LuckyPsycho from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-15 09:12 [#00514909]
Points: 369 Status: Lurker



Digging holes day in day out would probably get fairly
boring, but so does doing anything repeatedly without using
your brain... including most IT jobs.
How many of you in IT can actually say that you feel
challenged by your job, day to day?
I can't.
IT work is great because you get to play with the latest
technologies, and sit on your arse all day.
I would love to be able to build myself a cupboard... or a
chair... or a house... or something that I and other could
get immediate satisfaction from.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-01-15 09:16 [#00514913]
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i did computer job, first as a 'computer expert' for office
ladies (read: active helpdesk) and after that web design.
both of the jobs sucked. i live with guys who have all been
in hi-paying it jobs and have burnt out totally.

but then again, my other jobs haven't been too great either.
except maybe being camp and club counsellor for kids. also
working in a roleplaying/computer game shop was kool. but
those were more like hobbies; real jobs usually just suck.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-15 09:18 [#00514917]
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I've changed jobs to a more progamming orientated section so
now the work is more challenging, but it still doesn't
interest me and there is zero job satisfaction. Personally I
just want a little music shop in the local market where I
can sit and smoke dope all day, selling decent cds and
laughing at anyone who comes in for Robbie Williams or
Popstars stuff.


 


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