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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-07 07:48 [#00505016]
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Anyone else read about these raelian dudes that claim to have cloned the first ever human? I don't know if that's true or not but I really dig their ideology.
They claim that aliens came down and reproduced with us to advance our evolutionary cycle. It explains that missing link theory and makes a lot more sense than any other religion I've heard of.
I'm a raelian now.
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magiker
from Östersund (Sweden) on 2003-01-07 07:49 [#00505020]
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Oh raelie?
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magiker
from Östersund (Sweden) on 2003-01-07 07:49 [#00505021]
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Israelian genebank terrorists.
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-01-07 07:50 [#00505023]
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read some Erik von Daniken ;)
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-07 07:50 [#00505024]
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is that a manic street preachers lyric?
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 07:52 [#00505028]
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they stand on the main raod in Amsterdam just standing there in Space suits holding pictures of aliens
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-07 07:54 [#00505034]
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I like them even more now.
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slint
on 2003-01-07 08:07 [#00505057]
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raelian are fanatics without the knowledge,they offer a cheap ideology for a public of stupid and ignorant persons.they're a bunch of fanatics.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-07 08:09 [#00505061]
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So you don't like them then?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-07 08:12 [#00505065]
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I've heard them compared to the church of scientology...
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slint
on 2003-01-07 08:16 [#00505073]
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NO I DON'T LIKE THEM pure shit i can't believe that there is people that is with them.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-01-07 08:31 [#00505084]
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there is overwhelming scietific evidence supporting evolution... yeah, there are some gaps, but, to my knowledge there is no theory that is nearly as strong. Aliens seeded the human race 25,000 years ago??? I'm pretty sure there is evidence of intelligent civilizations that are older than 25,000 years.
Plus, They go out of their way to get as much publicity as possible, but, then offer no evidence to support their claims at all. They claim that they are protecting the parties involved from legal and other types of persecution, but, if that was really true we wouldn't have heard about any of this shit.
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C738
from Outer Space on 2003-01-07 08:43 [#00505103]
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We are your friend...
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 10:52 [#00505261]
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the parallels between the idea of aliens creating us, and a deity creating us, are kind of spooky dont you reckon?
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C738
from Outer Space on 2003-01-07 10:53 [#00505263]
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The question that keeps me busy is what the universe is inside of.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 10:56 [#00505267]
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it also reiterates the question, who created the creator? its proposed that we were made here cos cloning was outlawed on the elohims own planet.
questions! its an interesting tangent, if you dont find it to be an offensive one, that is.
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xceque
on 2003-01-07 10:59 [#00505268]
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Ah philosphical wonders... If a bear shits in the woods, and no-one is around to inhale, does it make a smell?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 11:06 [#00505271]
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ask the bear :)
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C738
from Outer Space on 2003-01-07 11:09 [#00505274]
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watch for dead trees around the bear's turd I'd say
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2003-01-07 11:17 [#00505283]
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The only reason Raël started this sect is that he wanted to buy expensive sport cars and create the RAËL RACING TEAM !
I swear that it's true !
By the way, I forgot, what is Raël real name ?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 11:20 [#00505285]
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claude virilhion or something
www.rael.org www.clonaid.com
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 11:23 [#00505289]
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well, their beliefs are based on an experience that rael had (in the 70s?). i don't know the specifics but he was either brought on board an alien ship or just communicateed with them here on earth and they told him of this alien decent theory. now, it's not conclusive, but there is much evidence that the aliens that have been abducting people are psychological/spiritual beings and the abductions are not explicit external physical experiences but are "internal." dr. richard strauss (a friend of a friend) releases a book detailing his study of the psychedelic DMT molecule that is found in the human body. one strong theory is that it is produced in the pineal gland, the "third eye" lying at the center of your brain. countless experiements with fairly heroic doses of DMT both legal/professional (under the authority of dr. strauss) and illegal/amature have revealed incredible experiences that involve contact and interaction (sometimes very intense and intimate) with alien presences. the resemblance between many DMT trip reports and many abduction reports are undeniably profound.
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magiker
from Östersund (Sweden) on 2003-01-07 11:30 [#00505296]
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Aliens this and aliens that.
WE ARE ALL ALIENS!
This is true because we are made of stuff that comes from space. Just like aliens. We seeded ourself. Where's my DMT-bag, it's tea time!
For real, I heard that spores of the so called magic mushrooms can stand both extreme heat and cold and is found high up in the atmosphere and that one teory is that when you trip on them, the things you see are actually telepatic contact with extra-terrestrial beings.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 11:37 [#00505300]
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aye the idea of us being made from stuff which comes from space has scientific backing
take the sun for example. it doesnt prouduce anything heavier than iron, however theres a lot heavier matter to be found on earth
this points toward the possibilty of some cosmic event resulting in the formation of the planets -> galaxies etc
the fact that such heavier metals can be found in our own bloodstreams leads us to the rather cool saying, 'we are made of stars'
or in other words, we are intrinsically related to the universe beyond our own immediate system :)
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 11:37 [#00505303]
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how about the theory that the spores of the magic mushrroms themselves, being able to withstand extremes, are alien intellegences that came from another planet? :) the spore shell is among the toughest biomaterial known.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 11:39 [#00505304]
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not only are we intrinsically related to the universe, there is no boundary between the self and the environment and universe!
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 11:45 [#00505317]
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now were talking jupitah
and this is not just something that rael goes on about
its a form of buddhist philosophy, and something which makes an awful lot of sense to me.
when i 'raise the screen and see the world', drop my illusions, ill finally make it 100% as a person
tantalising isnt it? im so close to being that way. the 'stupidest' things get in my way tho.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 11:49 [#00505324]
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drop em!
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-01-07 11:50 [#00505327]
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i hate theories
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 11:53 [#00505332]
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lol
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 11:58 [#00505340]
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:)
its a goal.
all stems from my worries (which are reasonably heavy shitz, not as 'stupid' as ill make out)
so i still have escapist urges. go out, drink some, chat up girls. sound familiar? :]
damn its a tough call. a mate of mine, hes real smart, and is like me in this way of thinking. he rekns if he can just keep escaping the concerns till hes gone, itll all be ok, good times will be had
in my heart tho i know im gonna have to face the heavy shit soon. and i also know that when i do, ill be rewarded.
its gonna take a hell of a lot of balls. but theres nothing worse than living in doubt. dont i know that too well.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-01-07 12:07 [#00505347]
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my theory is that some giant people had sex and the mommy popped out planet earth and then we were like left over sperm and egg and populated the earth together
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 12:19 [#00505355]
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to face the heavy shit you're going to need a lot of heart, some bone marrow and nerve endings. balls may come in handy too.
i don't know that you have to give up your attraction to women in order to achieve the state of being that you want though. and a drink doesn't have to be an escape :)
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ginge
from Clerkenwell, London (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 12:27 [#00505362]
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Bunch of nutters if you ask me.
Same goes for any religion really (raelly?), its another excuse to bomb countries into oblivion.
Oh, and if they've produced the first cloned child, I'll eat my hat (and you can hold me to that)
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 12:33 [#00505369]
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i know it's quite possble that the raelians did not successfully clone a child, but it is far from impossible so i don't know why you're so certain. all the scientists are so arogant, "they don't have any scientific record, no published papers, there's no way they could do it!" with the right determination, like the kind fuled by religion, things can be done that you would not imagine.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 12:33 [#00505371]
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and because of that stupid prosecutor we will never know.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 12:35 [#00505373]
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yeah im not quick to rule anything out
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-07 12:53 [#00505394]
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take the kid into custody? what the hell for?
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2003-01-07 14:09 [#00505489]
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poop to real!
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ginge
from Clerkenwell, London (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-07 14:53 [#00505529]
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As I said, if they HAVE cloned not just one, but 2 babies, with more on the way, I'll eat my hat.
This is an example of the people we are dealing with...
"In 1990, the Raelians changed their symbol, originally a Swastika inside a Star of David. . ."
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-01-07 19:04 [#00505771]
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what does a symbol change mean? i don't think the idea of alien decent is any further out than the idea that god impregnated mary who then gave birth to god's son who is also god himself made flesh. i think it's silly to think that you know something just by reading into these people. the fact is we may never know now.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-01-07 19:06 [#00505772]
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"Oh raelie?"
genious! :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-07 19:15 [#00505776]
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lots of scientists all over the world have offered to do unbiased dna-testing.
still they refuse.
there was the leader of the dutch division of the Raelians on tv a few nights ago and he said they don't even really want to prove the existance of the cloned babies.
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accela
from Detroit (United States) on 2003-01-07 19:17 [#00505777]
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this has turned into a very interesting thread
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CrippledGiraffe
from blechdom on 2003-01-07 19:44 [#00505786]
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I like ice-cream.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-08 01:31 [#00506029]
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whether to test the cloned baby or not?
doesnt seem to me that ethics are up to date with the new technology
that is something i find intriguing.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-08 01:32 [#00506033]
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regardless of whether its fact or not at the moment, it sure will be soon...
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-08 02:31 [#00506071]
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In all seriousness, I think that it is time that scientists stopped thinking about what can be done and instead start thinking more about what should be done.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-01-08 12:07 [#00506784]
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i like the chances of that happening :) funnily enuf thats something else that rael advocates
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-08 12:13 [#00506787]
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thats not what science is about.
thats where philosophy and more specific, ethics come in.
I'm not saying scientists should just do everything they think is interesting, but in principal its not their first priority.
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