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Maytag from Durham, NH USA on 2001-09-06 02:09 [#00029736] | |||||||||
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There are albums that are made sometimes to be diliberately hard to listen to. Trent made Broken as a fuck you to his new success and his old recording label. The songs on Broken are not only borderline noise at points but can seriously cause hearing damage if listened to a consistent volume throughout. The first two tracks on Windowlicker were like this, with Windowlicker having a deceptively sonic bass and Formula having parts in it that will definitely test you eardrums ( and entire nervous system's) strength. Drukqs has this element as well as some acoustic piano (sounding like Billy Corgan's stuff on the Pumpkins album Adore) to somewhat balance out the palate. The balance doesn't work in my opinion. Yes there are some new cool sonic stereo effects that he's acquired in his time off since his last album but the vibe in general is not a hospitable one. I'm not talking about creepy SAW V2 stuff, I'm talking about stuff that isn't pleasant on the ears. It seems, like Trent when he started becoming big, Richard kind of didn't give a fuck with these tracks and in fact sabotaged some of them on purpose to test the tolerance of his audience. Maybe I haven't given the album a chance but I will say this. Phobiazero, I believe, brought up the point that some of the tracks sounded like his Hangable Auto Bulb stuff so I went and downloaded the tracks to HAB 1&2 that I was missing. This is better music than his new ablum. Flat out. The tunes are jazzy, slightly caustic, rockin at points with some of the coolest machine gun beats I've heard while at the same time being agreable on my eardrums. Drukqs can have these elements on some tunes but usually doesn't sustain the vibe throughout the tune, with some overly loud part tanking the entire song. To sum up; I'm getting a disdain for his fans vibe from this ablum. He may have felt that his success at this point was becoming too great and his lifestyle didn't really require the added income or attention and expectations. He may have felt that if his stuff was too good and accessable he may become to wealthy and develop the overindulgences of a big star ( kinda like Trent or Bjork). His life will go on and so will mine and all of the community members here so it means nothing in the great scheme of things but to deliberately sabotage to avoid selling out can be just as self-serving as trying to be a success. |
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((>e.V.o.L.u.M.e<)) from cold and balmy seattle on 2001-09-06 03:10 [#00029738] | |||||||||
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granted i have only been able to get my hands on about 50% of the tracks so far; mostly from disc 1 but i would in no way call any of them unlistenable. there is deffinately an almost metalic ambience to a few of the tracks but i would attribute this to the poor quality of mp3's. there is a range of style to all of the tracks i have heard and this is probably the only thing about this album that kinda bugs me. there is practically no flow from track to track. however, the variety is in a way also refreshing in that each song has its own character. this album (of what i have heard so far) also seems to have a much different sound from the last few. for example if i had to give each of the last few albums a color, i would say that ICBYD is white and yellow; RDJ is more orangy with some purple; and this album tends to be more brown black and maybe some off green. .. ? anywho so far i really like it and i cant wait to get me a copy on vinyl and a phatty sack of ganja to accompany. |
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Quoth from Berlin on 2001-09-06 04:15 [#00029759] | |||||||||
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since i have yet to hear or download Drukqs... and reading all that you people are saying about that there is no flow to the music... counterpoint: wasn't SAWII produced to create sounds that were unusually different between all tracks... therefore making my statement about drukqs as being patient with it. what's going to kill you to try to listen to something over and over when you want to find out the answers in the end? nothing |
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((>e.V.o.L.u.M.e<)) from cold and balmy seattle on 2001-09-06 04:31 [#00029770] | |||||||||
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well i did say that i like it, you'd have to have been a "dumbass" to miss that part (sarcasm). and who knows what SAW2 was produced to sound like? none of us are RDJ (i assume) and half the stuff he says in interviews is bull shit so i guess only RDJ would know. |
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mat on 2001-09-06 09:51 [#00029807] | |||||||||
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I loved broken, so where does that put your arguament? didnt trent win a grammy for one of the songs on that ep? |
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teapot from brisbane on 2001-09-06 09:58 [#00029809] | |||||||||
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to quote trent "i said fist fuck and won a grammy!" |
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Archrival from New York, New York on 2001-09-06 10:01 [#00029810] | |||||||||
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I respect that, thats just your opinion. I definitly think its his best album so far, I LOVE DRUKQS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. It got so many styles and I like all of Aphex styles hard gabber, ambient, classic etc...... |
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Archrival from New York, New York on 2001-09-06 10:18 [#00029813] | |||||||||
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Maytag wich album is better than Drukqs??? You cant say that a EP "HAB 1" is better that almost 2 hours of quality music. |
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Maytag from Durham, NH USA on 2001-09-06 10:40 [#00029820] | |||||||||
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HAB 1&2 is better than this I think. There are entire tunes on Drukqs made out of some of the bridges in the HAB tunes. Even the original bit is better than bit4. The tunes on HAB (both) are consistent both sonicly and thematicly. The children talking samples at the beginning of 1&2 are nice ecclectic weird touches without going over the top. The beats are fast, clean and creative. There are great innovations and unususual "real" instrument sounds, like the guitar wa wa sound of Arched Maid on HAB. The ending part of "Come to Daddy" is very HAB inspired with its trademark machine gun beats and if you watch that video closely you can see where the inspiration for this sound came from as the Aphex kids drag sticks across the poles of a metal fence making the clickety clackaty rhythmm. |
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Dogfart from windcity on 2001-09-06 10:42 [#00029821] | |||||||||
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I NEED Drukqs NOW!. |
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\/\/ooƒer_Attack² from Milan on 2001-09-06 10:47 [#00029822] | |||||||||
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HAB1 and HAB2 are masterpieces!!! When I'll listen drukQs (22 October) I'll can say if it is a masterpiece too, or not. *Arched Maid Via RDJ: My favourite RDJ song, simply the best, unrepeatable!!! But I like also Laughane Butane Bob, Everyday, Children Talking. HAB 1&2 it's only an EP but it's a concentrate of amazing electronic music. \/\/Æ’ |
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Freefone from Scotland on 2001-09-06 16:16 [#00029849] | |||||||||
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but would you be disappointed if you never nicked the tracks in the first place? |
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Loogie from UK on 2001-09-07 16:45 [#00030038] | |||||||||
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Everyone likes different Aphex stuff, and it's pretty diverse. But you can't this is great, that is shit. Someone somewhere will like it. Having said that "My Teapot" / "Bike Pump Meets Bucket" is utter fucking shite. :) |
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Jaffa Kid from UK on 2001-09-07 16:56 [#00030039] | |||||||||
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"Broken" by NIN was porbably there most straight forward and most accesible record, apart from "PHM", if you want grating stuff by NIN try "Fixed"..but even thats pretty good. What's with all these NIN and Aphex comparisons, okay I can see they use similar sources i.e electronic hardware to make their sounds but I wouldn't say that they are really on the same wavelength so to speak , and I love NIN so don't flame me alright? |
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Barrett, Syd from Toronto on 2001-09-07 23:42 [#00030116] | |||||||||
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anyone who puts down NIN dosen't know what they're talking about. |
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Taxi on 2001-09-08 01:08 [#00030136] | |||||||||
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You know, I don't have anything against NIN. But I think there are artists out there that deserve a lot more respect. Fucking whiney lyricists. |
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Byron from under your bed on 2001-09-08 01:10 [#00030137] | |||||||||
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I understand what everyone seems to be saying about Drukqs, at least a bit. Although I do like all or most of the tracks, it doesn't have a flow. Any other album had a constant feeling, a constant mood through-out. What I mean to say is that each track was in the same vein... like all of the songs on SAWII, although using different noises throughout, carried the same very ambient qualities. RDJ Album was that drill'n'bass with the complex melodies and orchestral components underneath. But Drukqs changes throughout; There are hardhitting tracks like Equation, ambient tracks, drill'n'bass, piano peices, and interesting organic ones as well. Although each is very good imo, I wish there was only one theme throughout. Maybe it's just not obvious to me yet... That's my only complaint, but hey, Rich can do whatever he wants. |
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Byron from under your bed on 2001-09-08 01:14 [#00030138] | |||||||||
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Oh, and as for NIN... I like Trent's music, at least from PHM and The Fragile, but I really cannot agree with his offending lyrics. Most of you will probably laugh at me for that, heh, but I mean really, I think that Trent is a pretty fake person towards his fans. He's just using that whole 'goth' image to his advantage. He changes his styles all the time too... And don't start any flames. Comment otherwise or prove me wrong if you will, but I'm not trying to piss anyone off. To each his own. |
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duck paste man!! from a waffle iron on 2001-09-08 01:20 [#00030139] | |||||||||
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I havn't heard it all. Maybe he organized it in a mixed up theme pattern on purpose... he could have put all the pianoish ones in one section, songs 1-7 say, and all the complicated ones in another specific section etc. It sounds like it would be fun to be mixed up. I just want to know if it has really "intelligently" constructed highly imaginative and detailed things like the equation song, nanou, windowlicker, funny little man, flim, izus etc... I hope it doesn't sound like caustic windowish or analogue bubblebathish, or even I care because you doish. That stuff is semi dated sounding. RDJ album had fairly dated sounds too I suppose, but the organization of the sounds into insanly brilliant symmetrical structures started here. I wonder how dated the drukqs material sounds, as I've only heard camel beaties. |
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Dave on 2001-09-08 03:48 [#00030154] | |||||||||
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"camel beaties"? i don't understand.... all this talk of "it doesn't flow" strikes me as a little ridiculous. i mean, who cares if it doesn't "flow." if you want a suite, go nod out to pink floyd's ummagumma or something. but i do understand the Druqks disappointment. i mean, it's great and all -- really fucking great at times -- but i feel a bit underwhelmed by it, maybe cause there are so many rdj soundalikes now that what he's after isn't so distinctive anymore... |
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Maytag from Durham,NH USA on 2001-09-08 07:03 [#00030167] | |||||||||
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Ok having listened to it a few times over the past days I will give it more respect. AFX237_v7 is very tight and very good evoking images of that television spawned demon in "Come to Daddy" dancing a mad gig. |
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((>e V o L u M e<)) from seattle washington U.S.a on 2001-09-09 01:22 [#00030315] | |||||||||
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NIN used to be my favorite shit. in highschool that and skinny puppy were about all i listened to. but i do agree that trent is not much of a lyricist and sometimes even his voice leaves something to be desired; but musically that shit is brilliant... except that new album which i think is about 50% brilliant and 50% ehhh... |
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Netlon Sentinel from morf no on 2001-09-09 11:51 [#00030354] | |||||||||
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to be honest, the songs from hab ep1 get boring as they progress and the finale of arched maid via rdj is very disappointing. and certainly hab1&2 don't compare to drukqs imo. it seems to me that nannou from windowlicker was the piece that influenced drukqs the most; not the older drillnbass stuff. disc1 has a very depressing vibe to it (like some autechre albums). fer example, that st. michel song (best song of the album, imho) -> esp. the last 3 mins, when that girl (?) starts chanting. also song 2 and cock 10. disc2 is more of an uplifting/light-hearted collection -> you're right, there is no real continuation of the songs. when my friend heard gwarek 2 he said the bass in that song were killing him; so i guess you might be right about the damaging qualities of some songs (i can't tell, my hearing is already quite damaged...->constant ringing) anywhom. |
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felipe crespo on 2001-09-09 21:54 [#00030392] | |||||||||
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Drukqs is the best! the piano pieces are lovely, and even the drill n bass shit is funky as hell -- see Meltphace 6, which has to be the kickingest aphex track in history. a phenomenal piece of work. all of you guys who think it's disappointing need to listen to it in its entirety straight through. i agree, too, the model for many of the pieces on this thing is "nannou" off windowlicker. but i'd say another model would be "cornish acid" off rdj album... |
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f.l.e.a from NZ on 2001-09-09 22:03 [#00030393] | |||||||||
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what I have gathered from this thread so far is that the songs on DRUQS are challenging and expectations defying..not to mention hard to hear... FANTASTIC!! (I haven't heard it except for the 54 Cymry beats)... Isn't that kinda the point? To me this description pretty much sums up most of RDJ's work and it is the very reason I part with my meagre cash on one of his products than say..the latest LEFTFIELD or Chemical Huffers... |
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Quoth from Berlin on 2001-09-10 00:19 [#00030407] | |||||||||
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tap your feet bob your head don't start a different thread like my name was Mister Ed |
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Quoth from Berlin on 2001-09-10 00:20 [#00030408] | |||||||||
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that wasn't pointed towards anyone... i find what most people have to say about drukqs interesting... i have yet to hear anything... except for 54 cymru beats... i enjoy |
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