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Maytag from Durham, NH USA on 2001-09-06 02:09 [#00029736]



There are albums that are made sometimes to be diliberately
hard to listen to. Trent made Broken as a fuck you to his
new success and his old recording label. The songs on Broken
are not only borderline noise at points but can seriously
cause hearing damage if listened to a consistent volume
throughout. The first two tracks on Windowlicker were like
this, with Windowlicker having a deceptively sonic bass and
Formula having parts in it that will definitely test you
eardrums ( and entire nervous system's) strength. Drukqs
has this element as well as some acoustic piano (sounding
like Billy Corgan's stuff on the Pumpkins album Adore) to
somewhat balance out the palate. The balance doesn't work
in my opinion. Yes there are some new cool sonic stereo
effects that he's acquired in his time off since his last
album but the vibe in general is not a hospitable one. I'm
not talking about creepy SAW V2 stuff, I'm talking about
stuff that isn't pleasant on the ears. It seems, like Trent
when he started becoming big, Richard kind of didn't give a
fuck with these tracks and in fact sabotaged some of them on
purpose to test the tolerance of his audience. Maybe I
haven't given the album a chance but I will say this.
Phobiazero, I believe, brought up the point that some of the
tracks sounded like his Hangable Auto Bulb stuff so I went
and downloaded the tracks to HAB 1&2 that I was missing.
This is better music than his new ablum. Flat out. The
tunes are jazzy, slightly caustic, rockin at points with
some of the coolest machine gun beats I've heard while at
the same time being agreable on my eardrums. Drukqs can
have these elements on some tunes but usually doesn't
sustain the vibe throughout the tune, with some overly loud
part tanking the entire song. To sum up; I'm getting a
disdain for his fans vibe from this ablum. He may have felt
that his success at this point was becoming too great and
his lifestyle didn't really require the added income or
attention and expectations. He may have felt that if his
stuff was too good and accessable he may become to wealthy
and develop the overindulgences of a big star ( kinda like
Trent or Bjork). His life will go on and so will mine and
all of the community members here so it means nothing in the
great scheme of things but to deliberately sabotage to avoid
selling out can be just as self-serving as trying to be a
success.


 

((>e.V.o.L.u.M.e<)) from cold and balmy seattle on 2001-09-06 03:10 [#00029738]



granted i have only been able to get my hands on about 50%
of the tracks so far; mostly from disc 1 but i would in no
way call any of them unlistenable. there is deffinately an
almost metalic ambience to a few of the tracks but i would
attribute this to the poor quality of mp3's. there is a
range of style to all of the tracks i have heard and this is
probably the only thing about this album that kinda bugs me.
there is practically no flow from track to track. however,
the variety is in a way also refreshing in that each song
has its own character. this album (of what i have heard so
far) also seems to have a much different sound from the last
few. for example if i had to give each of the last few
albums a color, i would say that ICBYD is white and yellow;
RDJ is more orangy with some purple; and this album tends to
be more brown black and maybe some off green. .. ?
anywho so far i really like it and i cant wait to get me a
copy on vinyl and a phatty sack of ganja to accompany.


 

Quoth from Berlin on 2001-09-06 04:15 [#00029759]



since i have yet to hear or download Drukqs... and reading
all that you people are saying about that there is no flow
to the music... counterpoint: wasn't SAWII produced to
create sounds that were unusually different between all
tracks... therefore making my statement about drukqs as
being patient with it. what's going to kill you to try to
listen to something over and over when you want to find out
the answers in the end? nothing


 

((>e.V.o.L.u.M.e<)) from cold and balmy seattle on 2001-09-06 04:31 [#00029770]



well i did say that i like it, you'd have to have been a
"dumbass" to miss that part (sarcasm). and who knows what
SAW2 was produced to sound like? none of us are RDJ (i
assume) and half the stuff he says in interviews is bull
shit so i guess only RDJ would know.


 

mat on 2001-09-06 09:51 [#00029807]




I loved broken, so where does that put your arguament?

didnt trent win a grammy for one of the songs on that ep?


 

teapot from brisbane on 2001-09-06 09:58 [#00029809]



to quote trent "i said fist fuck and won a grammy!"


 

Archrival from New York, New York on 2001-09-06 10:01 [#00029810]



I respect that, thats just your opinion.

I definitly think its his best album so far, I LOVE
DRUKQS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

It got so many styles and I like all of Aphex styles hard
gabber, ambient, classic etc......


 

Archrival from New York, New York on 2001-09-06 10:18 [#00029813]



Maytag wich album is better than Drukqs???

You cant say that a EP "HAB 1" is better that almost 2 hours
of quality music.


 

Maytag from Durham, NH USA on 2001-09-06 10:40 [#00029820]



HAB 1&2 is better than this I think. There are entire tunes
on Drukqs made out of some of the bridges in the HAB tunes.
Even the original bit is better than bit4. The tunes on HAB
(both) are consistent both sonicly and thematicly. The
children talking samples at the beginning of 1&2 are nice
ecclectic weird touches without going over the top. The
beats are fast, clean and creative. There are great
innovations and unususual "real" instrument sounds, like the
guitar wa wa sound of Arched Maid on HAB. The ending part
of "Come to Daddy" is very HAB inspired with its trademark
machine gun beats and if you watch that video closely you
can see where the inspiration for this sound came from as
the Aphex kids drag sticks across the poles of a metal fence
making the clickety clackaty rhythmm.


 

Dogfart from windcity on 2001-09-06 10:42 [#00029821]



I NEED Drukqs NOW!.


 

\/\/ooƒer_Attack² from Milan on 2001-09-06 10:47 [#00029822]



HAB1 and HAB2 are masterpieces!!!
When I'll listen drukQs (22 October) I'll can say if it is a
masterpiece too, or not.

*Arched Maid Via RDJ: My favourite RDJ song, simply the
best, unrepeatable!!!

But I like also Laughane Butane Bob, Everyday, Children
Talking.

HAB 1&2 it's only an EP but it's a concentrate of amazing
electronic music.

\/\/Æ’



 

Freefone from Scotland on 2001-09-06 16:16 [#00029849]



but would you be disappointed if you never nicked the tracks
in the first place?


 

Loogie from UK on 2001-09-07 16:45 [#00030038]



Everyone likes different Aphex stuff, and it's pretty
diverse. But you can't this is great, that is shit. Someone
somewhere will like it.

Having said that "My Teapot" / "Bike Pump Meets Bucket" is
utter fucking shite.

:)


 

Jaffa Kid from UK on 2001-09-07 16:56 [#00030039]



"Broken" by NIN was porbably there most straight forward and
most accesible record, apart from "PHM", if you want grating
stuff by NIN try "Fixed"..but even thats pretty good.
What's with all these NIN and Aphex comparisons, okay I can
see they use similar sources i.e electronic hardware to make
their sounds but I wouldn't say that they are really on the
same wavelength so to speak , and I love NIN so don't flame
me alright?


 

Barrett, Syd from Toronto on 2001-09-07 23:42 [#00030116]



anyone who puts down NIN dosen't know what they're talking
about.


 

Taxi on 2001-09-08 01:08 [#00030136]



You know, I don't have anything against NIN. But I think
there are artists out there that deserve a lot more respect.
Fucking whiney lyricists.


 

Byron from under your bed on 2001-09-08 01:10 [#00030137]



I understand what everyone seems to be saying about Drukqs,
at least a bit. Although I do like all or most of the
tracks, it doesn't have a flow. Any other album had a
constant feeling, a constant mood through-out. What I mean
to say is that each track was in the same vein... like all
of the songs on SAWII, although using different noises
throughout, carried the same very ambient qualities. RDJ
Album was that drill'n'bass with the complex melodies and
orchestral components underneath. But Drukqs changes
throughout; There are hardhitting tracks like Equation,
ambient tracks, drill'n'bass, piano peices, and interesting
organic ones as well. Although each is very good imo, I
wish there was only one theme throughout. Maybe it's just
not obvious to me yet...

That's my only complaint, but hey, Rich can do whatever he
wants.


 

Byron from under your bed on 2001-09-08 01:14 [#00030138]



Oh, and as for NIN... I like Trent's music, at least from
PHM and The Fragile, but I really cannot agree with his
offending lyrics. Most of you will probably laugh at me for
that, heh, but I mean really, I think that Trent is a pretty
fake person towards his fans. He's just using that whole
'goth' image to his advantage. He changes his styles all the
time too...
And don't start any flames. Comment otherwise or prove me
wrong if you will, but I'm not trying to piss anyone off. To
each his own.


 

duck paste man!! from a waffle iron on 2001-09-08 01:20 [#00030139]



I havn't heard it all. Maybe he organized it in a mixed up
theme pattern on purpose... he could have put all the
pianoish ones in one section, songs 1-7 say, and all the
complicated ones in another specific section etc. It sounds
like it would be fun to be mixed up. I just want to know if
it has really "intelligently" constructed highly imaginative
and detailed things like the equation song, nanou,
windowlicker, funny little man, flim, izus etc... I hope it
doesn't sound like caustic windowish or analogue
bubblebathish, or even I care because you doish. That stuff
is semi dated sounding. RDJ album had fairly dated sounds
too I suppose, but the organization of the sounds into
insanly brilliant symmetrical structures started here. I
wonder how dated the drukqs material sounds, as I've only
heard camel beaties.


 

Dave on 2001-09-08 03:48 [#00030154]



"camel beaties"? i don't understand....

all this talk of "it doesn't flow" strikes me as a little
ridiculous. i mean, who cares if it doesn't "flow." if you
want a suite, go nod out to pink floyd's ummagumma or
something. but i do understand the Druqks disappointment.
i mean, it's great and all -- really fucking great at times
-- but i feel a bit underwhelmed by it, maybe cause there
are so many rdj soundalikes now that what he's after isn't
so distinctive anymore...


 

Maytag from Durham,NH USA on 2001-09-08 07:03 [#00030167]



Ok having listened to it a few times over the past days I
will give it more respect. AFX237_v7 is very tight and very
good evoking images of that television spawned demon in
"Come to Daddy" dancing a mad gig.


 

((>e V o L u M e<)) from seattle washington U.S.a on 2001-09-09 01:22 [#00030315]



NIN used to be my favorite shit. in highschool that and
skinny puppy were about all i listened to. but i do agree
that trent is not much of a lyricist and sometimes even his
voice leaves something to be desired; but musically that
shit is brilliant... except that new album which i think is
about 50% brilliant and 50% ehhh...


 

Netlon Sentinel from morf no on 2001-09-09 11:51 [#00030354]



to be honest, the songs from hab ep1 get boring as they
progress and the finale of arched maid via rdj is very
disappointing. and certainly hab1&2 don't compare to drukqs
imo.

it seems to me that nannou from windowlicker was the piece
that influenced drukqs the most; not the older drillnbass
stuff. disc1 has a very depressing vibe to it (like some
autechre albums). fer example, that st. michel song (best
song of the album, imho) -> esp. the last 3 mins, when that
girl (?) starts chanting. also song 2 and cock 10.
disc2 is more of an uplifting/light-hearted collection ->
you're right, there is no real continuation of the songs.

when my friend heard gwarek 2 he said the bass in that song
were killing him; so i guess you might be right about the
damaging qualities of some songs (i can't tell, my hearing
is already quite damaged...->constant ringing)

anywhom.


 

felipe crespo on 2001-09-09 21:54 [#00030392]



Drukqs is the best! the piano pieces are lovely, and even
the drill n bass shit is funky as hell -- see Meltphace 6,
which has to be the kickingest aphex track in history. a
phenomenal piece of work. all of you guys who think it's
disappointing need to listen to it in its entirety straight
through. i agree, too, the model for many of the pieces on
this thing is "nannou" off windowlicker. but i'd say
another model would be "cornish acid" off rdj album...


 

f.l.e.a from NZ on 2001-09-09 22:03 [#00030393]



what I have gathered from this thread so far is that the
songs on DRUQS are challenging and expectations defying..not
to mention hard to hear...
FANTASTIC!! (I haven't heard it except for the 54 Cymry
beats)...
Isn't that kinda the point? To me this description pretty
much sums up most of RDJ's work and it is the very reason I
part with my meagre cash on one of his products than
say..the latest LEFTFIELD or Chemical Huffers...


 

Quoth from Berlin on 2001-09-10 00:19 [#00030407]



tap your feet
bob your head
don't start a different thread
like my name was Mister Ed


 

Quoth from Berlin on 2001-09-10 00:20 [#00030408]



that wasn't pointed towards anyone... i find what most
people have to say about drukqs interesting... i have yet to
hear anything... except for 54 cymru beats... i enjoy


 


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