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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:22 [#00474951]
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Yep, the second largest airline in American filed for Chapter 11 today.
Cash burn rate is pegged around $22million a day.
Unions are going to be forced for more pay concessions, fleet is going to shrink, and routes will be cut.
Should fall to #3 carrier behind Delta.
word on the street is also that US Airways, currently in Chapter 11, will cease operations and be liquidated soon if some more concessions aren't made.
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most airline buffs saw this comming months ago, but it is just funny to watch the arogant and might fall so fucking hard. Fuck you United, hope Boeing repos your 777s.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:29 [#00474963]
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i'm an airline employee.....and i would never wish United or any other airline ill.
it's bad in so many ways.....but especially for YOU.....the public. less competition means higher prices. and so many people in the industry have already lost their jobs.
it's a terrible thing...i for one hope they get it together and the union makes concessions so as many people can keep working as possible.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:32 [#00474969]
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are you really?
My life revolves around airplanes. Hence the interest in the UA bankrupcy.
what airline do you work for?
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J-HOK
on 2002-12-09 13:33 [#00474972]
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are you a trolley dolly?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-09 13:34 [#00474973]
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Are you a stewardette, stewardtrix or whatever they're calling it these days?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:35 [#00474974]
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"dominatrix" is the correct term
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-09 13:35 [#00474975]
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LOL trolley dolly trumps anything else, love it
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:35 [#00474976]
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Lots of people have lost their jobs, National and Vangaurd are recent victims, plus Sabena, Swiss is now reorganized.
VG Airlines just lost their AOC, Air Holland is supposed to be on the verge.
B6 and WN are the only kids still making money. Interesting times for all, but it's obvious airlines like Continental would jump all over UAs DEN hub, and all the airlines would gladdly soak up the capacity increases.
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Cabbog
from Chautauqua (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:36 [#00474977]
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Does this van get good mileage? Did you know the McKalisters are going to France?
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J-HOK
on 2002-12-09 13:36 [#00474979]
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we're so sexist - i bet shes a pilotesse
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-09 13:39 [#00474981]
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They used to call Amelia Earhart an aviatrix, but dominatrix is good too.
ooooh I've been such a naughty passenger
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:39 [#00474982]
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yes i do.......lets just say it's the ONE airline that is not having $$ problems.
and yes, i am a FLIGHT ATTENDENT......no other word is acceptable =b
anyway......it's a very sad day for those in the INDUSTRY, the only good thing that will happen is that they (meaning united) will learn to run a TIGHT ship. thats how our airline keeps afloat.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-09 13:40 [#00474984]
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You follow this shit like a baseball fan! Is your family in the business, or do you own stock, or what?
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Cabbog
from Chautauqua (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:41 [#00474986]
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I'm going to be moving to London soon and Travis told me a while back that you could get me some 1st class tickets free of charge. Anything available now? Contact me on AIM.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:41 [#00474987]
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LeCoeur- that's either WN or B6
fleet- no, but it's my main passion in life
*my money is that LeCoeur works for WN*
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:42 [#00474988]
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uhm, what?
FF miles or other awards are the only way to get a free flight.
There were recent internet fuck ups by United, where they sold F class tix for like $14, when they would normally be ~$3000, they honored them.
No free rides though.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2002-12-09 13:43 [#00474989]
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...will learn to run a TIGHT ship. thats how our airline keeps afloat.
ship, airline, float, are you a flight attendant or a sailoress or what? My head is spinning.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:44 [#00474990]
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i have friends from 2 of those airlines so i know. swissair was my favourite to fly to europe......
anyway......i know of another airline that is in financial straights.....so i expect soon after the new year another announcement unless the government steps in =/
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:46 [#00474993]
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damnit, you are avoiding the question!!
no one knows who "WN" is, and I'm 99% sure that is your airline, but just smile if I am correct! *please?* *bats eyes*
it's that or B6, and no one knows who they are either.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:46 [#00474994]
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yuppers......WN it is =0)
however.....you're very wrong about free tickets.......hahahhahahha
only freebies to family, friends (i know in person), and boyfriends.....sowwie
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:47 [#00474996]
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wheeeeeeee!
I guess in your case, free flights are standard, but for the rest of us SLF, it's full fare :(
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:49 [#00474997]
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btw: I love your airline.
Friendly people, timely service, and man, 20 min turns in the tightest conditions.
Flying home PDX-OAK this weekend, always look forward to the flights, 737s get old for a nut like me, but still, can't beat WN with a spoon.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:52 [#00474999]
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eggactly.....or if you're a smart shopper......shop ahead!
anyway.....i dread going to work tamale.....twill be somber, especially during this time of the year. everyone will be worried if they will have a job. i'm still crossing my fingers that the 4th quarter will be profitable for us...it's been rumored that it may not be .....first time in 30 yrs......iccccck
oh and Mousey.....planes are referred to like ships.....cept we don't name them, and they usually aren't she's.....tee hee
and yes......you guys are sexist piglets....spills HOT coffee on you.....ooopsie......sowwie
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:57 [#00475006]
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hey, don't worry about 4Q, all I hear *and it's all I do all day*
is 30 years of profits will continue.
There have been a few Quarters when WN didn't make money, but every year managment keeps it in the black.
and don't worry about your job! you guys are hiring!!!! *yes I should work for an airline, I understand that......*
Sorry about all the questions.
Where are you based anyway? iirc you are from Florida no?
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 13:58 [#00475008]
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thanks i do too........thats how we were able to make it in the beginning....we barely had any airplanes....so we had to turn in 20 minutes to make the most of the planes we did have.
i have a picture with good ole Herbie.
i fly LAX/PHX/LAS/ABQ/OAK/SJC/SEA mostly
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:02 [#00475011]
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you guys still have the highest utilation rate for your planes of any major in the country.
New interiors are very nice as well, very clean and modern looking. Dunno about the new "Canyon Blue" livery. When it looks blue it is nice, but it more often looks purple.
I miss the 737-200s though, they don't come around here anymore :(
----------------- Sorry about all this, I am so excited. I am going to end up asking you tons of questions about WN, man, this is the coolest thing ever.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:03 [#00475012]
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*utilization rate
---------- make typos when I'm excited :)
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:03 [#00475013]
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i'm based in PHX, but i don't live there!
it's all you do all day? what do you study?
i'm not worried about peepz on our airlines........my friends that work for OTHERS.....thats the sad stuff.
we are hiring in some areas......but some areas are frozen....until things pick up. i'm just glad our flights are full for the most part!
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:07 [#00475016]
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I study when I can, but my degree can wait :)
I have my priorities crooked, but that's the way I like it.
------------------- I don't know how other companies are going to make it either, B6 even is going to get in trouble as they start paying more for their A320 mx.
what is the other airline you think might go under? Rumors make the world go round :)
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:08 [#00475017]
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i HATE the lounges in the 200's ....uugghgh
all the party people think they can sit there and get drunk.....uughghgh
i'm glad they are phasing those OUT.
i love our new colours......the TEXASS colours have to gooooo.....ehehhe.....we still have our red bellies......which to me is the thing i look up and see when planes fly overhead....i know it's one of ours.
we've always run a tight ship....thats why we're still in business. we only fly where there are lots of people....not these unprofitable routes that the 'others' fly.....we're just smarter than other airlines........it's just the facts man!
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:11 [#00475021]
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Northwest
they are pulling out of my local airport =/
plus FA's have been asking me if we're hiring......NOT a good sign!
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:15 [#00475025]
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:(
There managment is damn conservative too.
DC-9s are going to be around till 100,000 hours!
I can see them consolidating routes, but they have a pretty strong cash position as they own most of their planes.
Asian loads have been great and they have been having a ball hauling the extra cargo from the longshormen havoc that was on the west coast.
Finally investing in new aircraft, their A330s come early next year and they are still taking 757-300s.
----------- Are they fully pulling out of your local, or are they letting Mesa take over?
again, sorry about all the questions, but I can't pass up the opportunity to ask you everything :)
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:28 [#00475042]
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WE are taking over in my local.....not mesa.....ahhahahha
mesa's vomit comets are hell-atious to fly in.....uughghhg
we make OUR money from freight as well.....always have.....thats how we can offer flights from LAX/LAS for 19 bucks each way....i mean come on...you can't even drive for that price!!!
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:33 [#00475049]
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lol
bless your airline.
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-12-09 14:35 [#00475052]
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i have had so much traumas when it comes to airlines. i will never ever fly wih sas again.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 14:41 [#00475061]
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trama's?
almost nothing bothers me now.....the only thing that gets on my nerves is drunk people....men and women....brings out the WORST in people IMO!
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-12-09 14:43 [#00475067]
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true alcohol is evil
the organisating on sas flights i have been on has been so horrible. they walk people in the plane, then out the plane, then try to count that there is the right amount of people, then list the people etc etc
trama, trauma, same thing :)
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 15:07 [#00475130]
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hahaha
we have to do counts......make sure there aren't stow aways......ahhahahha
alcohol is fine.....in moderate amounts......its the ABUSE of any substance that causes problems.
*enjoys a fine glass of red wine once in a while*
=0)
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-12-09 15:18 [#00475149]
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yes but does the counting have to take 3 hours?!
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 15:23 [#00475159]
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hahah
OMG.....did they forget to count....maybe they'd been DRINKING.
count takes less than 30 sec's even with a full flight......you just count the empty seats.....tee hee
omg......i feel for ya girl!
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neetta
from Finland on 2002-12-09 15:25 [#00475166]
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no, the point was they had to walk people out of the plane, and some people wanted to change flight since the flight was so late and it led to a total chaos.
this is not the only chaos sas has caused. i really hope your line is better :)
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Verkrampte
from Renton (United States) on 2002-12-09 15:53 [#00475234]
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im scared of Airplanes/Flying in one
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 17:22 [#00475346]
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you're 100x more likely to die on the way to the airport than you are in an airplane
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b0nk
from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2002-12-09 18:14 [#00475394]
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yea real funny after all the people get laid off around the holidays
:(
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-12-09 18:25 [#00475404]
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people loosing their jobs isn't funny
people working for a shitty airline and not getting out before hand isn't funny either, though it's pretty stupid.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-12-09 19:13 [#00475456]
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air travel is very safe.....you should feel safer in the air than in a car. it's been statiscally proven. even with all they hijacking going on.
there was a program on discovery the other day about the 747 from boeing.....amazing aircraft. i was able to sit in the cockpit for landing in sydney australia.....smoothest landing in my life....and quite a different view than what i'm used to =0)
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