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offline john is fast from sacramento (United States) on 2002-12-08 03:56 [#00472865]
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I had to start a seperate post just to disagree with this
guy.

"1. Gantz Graf is musicless (but 3rd track)
2. Incunabula and Amber are great, no less than wonderful
Confield, and if Ae want to make something like that again,

we can only hold our breath... They've been rotting down
their music for a while. Gantz Graf is like a step backward

to all those dying AFX and everyone. (Yes AFX is dying
slowly, see DrukQs for more). They sacrifice music to the
beasts of harsh chaos electro thingies floating around. Take

Peel Sessions 2. There are only two good tracks, and they're

super good, that's because they HAVE music inside. And the
other two are only good in the state of 2-sec loops, to
which you listen and think 'yeah, that'd make a fucking nice

hardcore song, but where are those melodies we love Ae for'.

GG is primitive. As is a smaller part of Confield. I mean,
they just HAD to put some beautiful melodic stuff there, but

they didn't. And the rest of elements just aren't
self-sufficient"

OH MY GOD I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO SUPRISED AT SOMEONE FROM THIS
BOARD. you don't have to like this stuff but you sure as
hell better give it the due respect.

"they just HAD to put some beautiful melodic stuff there,
but
they didn't. "

who says they had to? I like the way they do everything they
do because they do it differently. I have only ever
disliked maybe 1 or 2 autechre songs.

you just want some more conventional dog crap I think.


 

offline john is fast from sacramento (United States) on 2002-12-08 04:01 [#00472866]
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"which you listen and think 'yeah, that'd make a fucking
nice
hardcore song"

why would I want autechre to make a hardcore song out of
their already good music?
I mean maybe bucephalus bouncing ball would have been better
with some rapping over it? or maybe some reggae steel drums
in the boy/girl song? wow that would suck ass.



 

offline john is fast from sacramento (United States) on 2002-12-08 04:05 [#00472868]
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maybe if you get bored you could go back over gantz graf and
record your own 4 on the floor beat overtop the whole thing.
and then open up fruityloops ts404 and make some "hella
wicked bad" melodies to mix in with it too. We all want
copies when you're done.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-08 04:19 [#00472871]
Points: 7983 Status: Lurker



heh dude

gantz graf scrub-windex-cleans-em-all-off-the-shelf !



 

offline neetta from Finland on 2002-12-08 04:21 [#00472872]
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dum dum. i have to admit that i partly agree.

autechre just is not going to a better direction for me. i
wont say it's cause the melodies but i sure did like
incunabula and amber best

(peel sessions 2 is great too)

but then again, i have never heard ganx graf, nd confield
has been very slow to open to me


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2002-12-08 04:24 [#00472873]
Points: 7983 Status: Lurker



how did booth put it?

something like

if you get the chance to do something original, you take
it.



 

offline splodgechops from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-08 04:47 [#00472879]
Points: 102 Status: Lurker



I think the only reply is this:

Artists like Autechre/Aphex/Aquarepusher have proved that
they are capable of (i was gonna say anything but what I
mean is) making beautiful and chaotic music. You may have
fallen in love with a particular song or sound of theirs.

They have chosen to release what they want to in their
wisdom, if you don't like it it's not because they have
failed, but you haven't connected at this juncture.

that is all.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 04:54 [#00472882]
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i have been going off autechre forr 2 rreasons

1. the change in dirrection, its simply too harrd
2. i am listening to less "straight" idm now anyway.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 04:56 [#00472883]
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i still want the new album, just to see. it maybe a HUGE
leap forrwarrds, morre melody and such. i have no idea, but
i get the feeling they have experrimented and arre now doing
what they know best and doing betterr !!


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 04:57 [#00472884]
Points: 23472 Status: Lurker



i still want the new album, just to see. it maybe a HUGE
leap forrwarrds, morre melody and such. i have no idea, but
i get the feeling they have experrimented and arre now doing
what they know best and doing betterr !!


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-08 05:13 [#00472886]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to Anus_Presley: #00472882



"2. i am listening to less "straight" idm now
anyway."


what do you mean..?

ae is too straight for you..?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-08 05:17 [#00472887]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to splodgechops: #00472879



I agree. they are constantly changing and evolving.. don't
forget they make music about 24 hours a day, so they make
TONS.. each time they release something, its like 1 to 2
years old for them..

and to get back to "guy's" statements..

"1. Gantz Graf is musicless (but 3rd track)"

oh dear. here we go again. first we have to debate 'what is
music' - to me: organised sounds, to Guy probably: it has a
toon I can dance to!
even then, gg HAS a tune!! its most prevalent in the first
30 seconds, but still there after that.
if you can't appreciate gg for the pure soundtextures and
dynamics, you're probably lost to this one..


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 05:23 [#00472888]
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i should have said drum 'n' bass


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-08 05:26 [#00472889]
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ah.


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-12-08 05:32 [#00472892]
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Melodies THIS music THAT! Yada yada yada...

Im into it for the whicked audio trickery and innovating
experimitations , soundscapes and details.
Melodies sure , but melodies is certanly not all.
And the melodies is not what made me get into autechre in
the first place.

Btw , why does so many people say GG has no melodies? are
you deff !?!?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 05:38 [#00472896]
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but alot of people herre, i think, got into the Amber
Autechre and simply dislike the sound of the new songs. too
much of a leap forr them. i love an arrtist to move
forrwarrd and develop theirr sound but if you don't like it,
ya don't.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-08 05:42 [#00472897]
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autechre suck ballz


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 05:45 [#00472899]
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i'm not a huge ae fan anyway, i neverr have been, and i like
gg, people should leave it alone, its just not the ae they
know and love


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-12-08 05:46 [#00472900]
Points: 8876 Status: Lurker | Followup to Jarworski: #00472897



Why? Does the balls taste better then the actual dick?
I would't know but if i was gay i would prefer the dick
instead , less hairs in your mouth.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2002-12-08 05:52 [#00472904]
Points: 50073 Status: Moderator



i cant get into autechres music(im trying tho), its just to
"mechanical" and "cold"
i can only listen their albums when im totally calm,
otherwise it just makes me nervous


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 06:01 [#00472906]
Points: 23472 Status: Lurker



yeah, i have to go somewherre else forr a warrm embrrace. i
know what you mean.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 06:02 [#00472907]
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but not bad, just cold, beforre i get ate alive.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2002-12-08 06:06 [#00472908]
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i always get this feeling like there is a certain sound
missing-the one that would make a certain track wonderful

for example-murcofs martes album sounds a lot like autechre
to me (tehnically), and i totally love it because it has
very "warm" sounds
hehe, cant explain better than that :)


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 06:09 [#00472910]
Points: 23472 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #00472908



yourr gonna get bashed, you do know this... RRUN TOLSTOYED
RRUNNNNNNNN


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2002-12-08 06:11 [#00472911]
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hehe, for my defence: im buying their albums :)


 

offline diablo on 2002-12-08 06:11 [#00472912]
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I'm into the early stuff. The new tracks i've heard did
nuthin for me at all


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-08 11:45 [#00473144]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



I don't listen to music for one general emotion, be it
"warmth" or "cold".. ae's tracks have both and a lot of
other impressions and emotions (well, I have a lot and I
project them on their music..) which flex and reform much
like gantz graf sounds on a basic sound level.


 

offline Cfern from Sacto (United States) on 2002-12-08 11:53 [#00473152]
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most of you guys are wild. i got into the new ae stuff
and then worked it backwards. Yes i love incunabla and
amber.. Tri Repeate is my least favorite ae record.


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-12-08 13:02 [#00473198]
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gg's one of my fav ae tracks. amber is great, incunabula is
nice, but they are so boring in comparison to later tunes.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2002-12-08 13:05 [#00473202]
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perrception.


 

offline Iroel from Pisa (Italy) on 2002-12-08 13:09 [#00473209]
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what are you talking about? gantz Graf has melodies, very
beutiful ones O_O



 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2002-12-08 13:11 [#00473214]
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that is one true word.


 


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