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offline martinhm from York (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-02 06:29 [#00464443]
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Without wishing to stir up the great vinyl vs CD debate
again, could somebody please comment on this observation:

You are losing nothing if you listen to a CD containing
audio that has already been digitised by virtue of having
been a) recorded on a digital device b) at one time
processed by a digital device (e.g. computer) c) originated
from a digital process. That is, if the audio has already
been converted from an analogue wave to ones and zeroes you
gain nothing by then pressing it onto vinyl.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-12-02 06:35 [#00464455]
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Not strictly true-

Due to the limitations of vinyl, low end (bass) frequencies
appear quieter- all record player have circuitry/valves that
"correct" this and in the process add the distortion that
gives vinyl its warmth. This, in effect, means recording to
vinyl is a form of filter or effect to music.

Still, you are right about stuff that is alredy digital will
for the most part be the same (aside from as described
above)...


 

offline martinhm from York (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-02 06:43 [#00464465]
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Cheers Ceri. That's exactly what I was getting at.

If I record myself playing guitar (which I can't, but
anyway) on an 8-track and then press that to vinyl, then you
get the real deal. But if you stick it through the soundcard
and screw with it in the computer, then it will have been
sampled at 44.1KHz and each sample quantised to a 16 bit
number. Hence a vinyl pressing wil yield no more of the
original recording than a CD recording. Just some "warmth".


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-12-02 06:58 [#00464479]
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Funfact for analogue fans- you can get a really dirty, raspy
recording by making "tape"from sellotape covered in rust
filings and putting it on an old reel cassette recorder. You
can record to it and play back just like normal audio tape.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-02 10:14 [#00464718]
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they did that on the channel four fix-it type program...
that was superb


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-02 10:16 [#00464721]
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i perfer digital sounds.



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-12-02 10:19 [#00464723]
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I learnt about it from seeing Tim Hunkin do it. He is such a
cool science geek- everyone needs a copy of his book,
"(Almost) Everything there is to know"



 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-12-02 10:48 [#00464745]
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The Secret Life of Machines... that series ruled.
If people like Tim Hunkin taught in our schools we would
have a nation of inventors


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-12-02 10:56 [#00464751]
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you can recreate the "vinyl warmth" in digital music can't
you? doesn't it come down to mastering..?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-12-02 10:58 [#00464755]
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qrter...

mmm... not really. I mean, you could master it, so that the
bass is warmer... but its not goin to sound the same.

There would be afficianados that could hear a difference.

But for the average person, I dont think anyone would notice
or care.

I for one dont care.


 


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