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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 14:41 [#00461479]
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ok so after all the encouraging andgentle proddingyouguys haveconvinced me to work on music for a demo to send out..
here is my first attempt..first time I think a song of mine has the potential to woo the record label types...
fold and facilitate this is the first of three.. please give me somekinda detailed feedback and which label you think I should be approaching with it..
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-11-29 14:45 [#00461487]
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i dug it. Alot.
send demos for sure! NOTHING bad can come of it. Only good.
And send it EVERYWHERE.
sometimes good things happen where you least expect it.
Send Send Send
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illfates
from space (United States) on 2002-11-29 14:47 [#00461491]
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only if you answer the same question for me-- the conversation seperation anxiety ..rest of album
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illfates
from space (United States) on 2002-11-29 14:48 [#00461494]
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oops, sep anxiety . mp3
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 14:49 [#00461498]
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thanks Zeus:)..any label suggestions?
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2002-11-29 14:49 [#00461499]
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tigerbeat6 would be a good bet i think (cex, kid 606, etc....)
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2002-11-29 14:49 [#00461501]
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they seem to like the noisier beat stuff.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 14:51 [#00461505]
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hey illfates..with my speed I can only commit to onesong right now..I am d/l Converstaion
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illfates
from space (United States) on 2002-11-29 14:51 [#00461507]
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the whole thing left me waiting for lower frequencies to bind it all together. good enough without those, though.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 14:52 [#00461508]
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hmm..yeah I will keep em in mind...thanks :)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-11-29 14:53 [#00461509]
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damn, i had a long list of labels... but its saved on my favorites on my other compiutor in boston... im in NYC for thanksgiving...
ill get the link to you when i get back :)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 14:54 [#00461512]
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hmm..I can see what you are getting at....I will looking at the mixing board to work on that..thanks:)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 14:55 [#00461516]
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cheers:)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-11-29 14:58 [#00461520]
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im in the same boat as you...
as soon as i get my cds pressed... im just goin to send a cd to every single label i can think of...
again, only good can come of it
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 15:00 [#00461528]
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i am starting to agree..
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 15:03 [#00461538]
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yeah flea should try as many labels as you can pay postage for.. I'll be starting to send out demo's next month, when I have the aformentioned money..
this is a good place for adresses:
wecowd labels
and now I'll d/l the track..
btw, when you start sending out demo's, would you mind sending me one? that would be cool as banf!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-11-29 15:06 [#00461541]
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seriously.
i mean, the worst thing they could say is "you suck, dont ever send us a demo again." and if they said that... they are fucking assholes, and you dont want to waste your time with assholes.
but its highly unlikely. Ive listened to your music, and theres no way in hell theyd say that. The worst they would say, imo, is "it needs work"
but the great thing is... you go work on your music more... send it later...and they will remember you... and they will be like "wow, this guy is really improving". and maybe they still wont sign you... but then you just keep doing that, and eventually they will, because they will see you are:
a. dedicated b. improving
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 15:08 [#00461550]
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also quite handy on the advice tip..
demo advice
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-11-29 15:08 [#00461552]
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mmm! thanks for that link qrter! awesome!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 15:09 [#00461554]
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hope its all up to date.. : s
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 15:12 [#00461562]
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hey thanks for the link..I have book marked it... yeah postage from all the way down here IS an issue..but yeah I will send you a copy:)
does any one have thoughts/examples of the Bio to include?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 15:14 [#00461567]
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great, flea, thanks.. :)
oh dear the demo advice doesn't seem to have much demo advice, more advice on starting up your own label..
um.. I thought Planet Mu had some good advice on HOW to send your demo.. lessee..
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 15:15 [#00461568]
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yeah what you are saying makes perfect sense..I have been a bit reluctant because of my experience a couple of years back sending pencil art to Comic Companies..they cost me a lot..(the size of the pages etc)..in the US..and I didnt get a single acknowledgement that they were even received by anyone..so all of that went into the black hole :(
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 15:18 [#00461577]
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some advice from Warp..
SOME HINTS AND GUIDELINES.
Remember that you are sending in a DEMO, not a finished sequenced album, ie. you need to put your absolute best standout track first, then follow with the other tracks which best display the sort of music that you make and that we may be most interested in. Don’t have a 10 minute wobbly synth intro (for example) on the first track, as most peoples interest tends to waver.....
Include as many tracks as you want, but put the best ones first – this is the single most important factor in getting your music listened to.
If we like what we hear, then you will be contacted – if only to say “please send us more”. We do not acknowledge receipt of demos, return them, nor offer any criticisms - we are busy enough as it is!
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 15:18 [#00461578]
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illfates..I just got done listening toThe Conversation..fuck yeah..it's demo worthy...reminds me of all the good U ziq...hmm..planet mu maybe?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 15:18 [#00461579]
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and from Mike P at Planet Mu..
"..Also, please don't send the kind of demos which are accompanied by letters stating "...I just started making this idm stuff last month and these are my first tracks, they're kinda shitty but I thought I'd send 'em anyway..." FUCK OFF. If we are prepared to invest a certain amount of time & money in releasing your pitiful electronic burps and squiggles, then at least send us your best burps & squiggles that you have practised burping & squiggling enough so they sound, like, good. Oh & NO MP3's!.."
ha ha..
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 15:20 [#00461580]
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thanks..I remember..reading that a while back:)..dont quite know if my stuff is polished or melodic enough for Warp yet..
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 15:22 [#00461582]
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aaaand Rephlex has this to say..
"demos: *we receive many dozens of demos every week, perhaps dozens every day! but on average we only release one record each month. so please cooperate:
*if you don't follow these instructions then we know you're not properly down with braindance! but if you do help us listen to demos by complying with these guidelines, we will inevitably give your demo priority:-
*please send us your demos for review on minidisc or cd. (we prefer minidiscs because we can listen to them most easily.)
*it is essential that you put your contact details on the disc itself (not on the case or in a letter).
*a 3-5 word description of what we can expect to hear would help us listen to your submission more effectively.
*due to limited time and resources, we instantly discard packaging and accompanying letters and then rarely bother with material that is not labeled on-body with contact details - so save trees!
*cassettes, dat tapes are NOT really wanted unless it's all you can manage.
*MP3's and website links are NOT wanted under any circumstances.
*we do not have the resources to return demos - sorry. *don't be disheartened if you don't hear back from us. generally, you will only hear from us if we want to release your tracks soon or if we think that we know someone who might release them.
*in return for our precious time, we reserve the right to subscribe your email address to our occasional electronic mail-outs - you will be sent details of how to unsubscribe if you want to tho'.
*thanks for keeping us entertained with the sounds from your world."
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 15:22 [#00461583]
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hehe..safe to say by now I am not sending em my first burps and squiggles:)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 15:25 [#00461587]
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ah..very sensible..I dont have toworry about bios for them:)
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2002-11-29 15:48 [#00461610]
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This is a very helpfull thread!
Thanks for starting it flea
Send you demo's out flea, see what happens
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-11-29 15:53 [#00461615]
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i know nothing about music making, but you seem to have some talent!
the only thing that i would change for my personal taste is add some low frequency sounds (some bass or something). this track sounds curiously like richard devine's stuff.
ive got no idea what label you should approach, but it would definitely fit on schematic.
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2002-11-29 15:58 [#00461619]
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try schematic or tigerbeat6
I think they would like it
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-11-29 16:08 [#00461635]
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well, reading these advice things... it says to put the best tracks first...
well, I was planning on sending them a finished version of my pressed CD... so what I think ill do, is mark the best ones to listen to/get an idea what they will be listening to...
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from Rataq (Qatar) on 2002-11-29 16:09 [#00461636]
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that song sucked delete it and kill yourself immediately
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2002-11-29 16:10 [#00461638]
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Thats a good idea zues, I think sending in just 3 to 5 tracks in not enough time to understand or get a feel of an artist.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 16:35 [#00461659]
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yup the lackof low frequencies seems to be coming up:)
thanks for thecritiquecortex..and yes Device is a big influence:)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 16:37 [#00461662]
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Thanks as always Mickey youre such supportive wee mouse:)
and Zues..yeah I keep reading hearing..three is the max..andshow em the range of what you can do with the three...
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 16:39 [#00461666]
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you sure it was THAT bad?..I mean killing myself would be a bit..you know final!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 17:32 [#00461710]
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HA HA
did you type "Device" on purpose? thats a great name for Tricky Dicky Devine..
I liked the track, but I agree with Cortex, get some lower frequencies in there.. also I was thinking, either go over the top (a la gantz graf) or give the listener like 30 seconds rest somewhere, maybe with ONLY low frequencies.. I don't know..
also, I think you should pick the tracks yourself. to make an educated choice I would have to have heard EVERYTHING you've made.. and I haven't. its your demo, you should feel good about it yourself.
and go ahead and send your stuff to Warp - they have lots of..um.. melody-impaired music..
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 17:41 [#00461714]
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heh..I have been calling him Device for awhile..you are the first one to notice:)
yeah I think this track need a wee bit of tidying up. Not too much..just mixing of the channels...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-11-29 17:56 [#00461720]
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okay! I think you could still let it really rip.. :)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-29 20:10 [#00461751]
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That was very interesting to hear you hold nothing back. I think it's probably the best I've heard from you. It's almost ootoo voon schorakk quality. It was amazing how it kept changing. It would be difficult for me to think of something to add or change to make it better (let alone realize it). I only sent 1 demo to schematic. i kinda spent a lot of time with fitting a drawing I made on the cover and on the cd itself, and organizing the order of the tracks. they did not reply (and probably wouldn't have) until I emailed them. then they responded something like "we are grateful to have recieved your madness. keep it up and good things will happen." *shrugs
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 20:25 [#00461756]
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thanks..wMw:)Iyeah I feel quite good about the track..some adjusting of levelsmay be in orderbut I wont change the structure...
my second song is ready too..and is uploading as we speak...that one is MAS oriented in the Funkstorung vein...
which songs did you send to schematic?..have I heard them?...
dont know what to make of that reply by schematic though..it could be taken as complimentary and or condescending...but there's definetly room for working up and sending another in that reply...
but the madness..bit..I am kinda worried about that..I dont think my music is that far off from yours in madness stakes..I cant imagine how these record label types are gonna react to it...
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Clic
on 2002-11-29 20:40 [#00461765]
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Yes Flea, it is demo worthy. Please send stuff out. Zeus is right, nothing bad can come of it.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-29 20:49 [#00461768]
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cheers clic:)..but I think you should be doing so as well..each track of yours I have heard has been demo worthy
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-11-29 21:06 [#00461776]
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it was just stuff you've heard. I put the flush of mr squiggles as the first song and a fractal brewing of fraggles as the second and miserygreater...etc as the third.
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Clic
on 2002-11-29 21:12 [#00461778]
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Oh (blush), why thank you. :)
Yeah, I've been thinking of sending something out. Having a hard to time deciding on which tracks to put forth.
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-11-30 03:24 [#00461955]
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Bump 'n' comments...
Listening to it right now flea.. and my god thats one loud and sharp noise you've got there!! Really working the high end! :D Good fucking noise!
I like it, I reckon It'd be good DEMO material.... If you do end up sending it away. Best of luck to you, you've got the whole board behind you mate! :D
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-30 03:27 [#00461958]
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cheers...princo mate:)
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