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sounds like good stuff. lems humor is something special from what i read. i'll have to pick up some new books pretty soon, despite the fact i don't have time to read a single chapter from biology textbook. |
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The Futurological Congress is, like, 150 pages, and the others are episodic...almost like short stories. I read one before I go to sleep. Then I have weird dreams until I start playing with light switches and realize that IU'm dreaming and then I go off looking for more books. Can't read 'em though...the letters keep shifting from one to another. |
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i think a lot of people go into all movies with a lot of cynicism... it seems that often, people watch movies with the intent of tearing them apart as if the only way they enjoy movies is by playing critic throughout kinda like those people who go to sporting events just to heckle the players |
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well, possibly but i for one, love movies. i love the experiance. id say im a move addict actually it just pisses me off to no end when something that gets so much praise, is so crappy in my eyes |
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Makes you feel left out? |
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thats why its good to disregard the opinions of others.. its best to go into a movie without any kind of bias based on what others have said about it |
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makes me feel angery. kind of in the same way as how I feel when people talk about how great nsync or any other crappy music is. |
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That sounds like you have some issues you need to sort out. Like I used to get angry when people would pick an independant 'art film' to bash, when there's plenty of hollywood crap out there for them to sink their teeth into. |
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Solaris Was Andrei Tarkovsky. One of the best filmakers ever in my opinion. As to waking life, i havnt seen it yet so i will not comment on the film, but as to the discussion... Any work of art can be seen as pretentious by some, While it may have a true core of meaning to others. Many people consider IDM to be "spacey gibberish" and think it has no merit whatsoever. The truth is (in my humble view) that anyone who speaks of a work of art as being pretentious, worthless, crap, etc... is in fact being pretentious themself. Im probly being pretentious right now. I just find it silly that anyone can say bad things about art that they do not like. if they do not like it, thats understandable. Other people do like it, and it just means that they see something in it that the disliker does not. Subjectivity. I dont think it is possible for art to fail. People talk of better art being pure and bad art being pretentious. but art is a reflection of the artist. so it suceeds in reflecting that image be it good or bad. anyways.... thats piss, all i am saying is that you should always respect a piece of art enough to not rip it to shreds. whether you like it or not. it cant be worthless. |
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i think not |
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waking life bugged me because they used the auto rotoscoping stuff , but made the effect all dirty so it looked like it was being done by hand or somehting. it was just proccessed from live action, i guess a bunch of stuff was actually drawn in , . as for linklater, i thaught slacker was very good |
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everyone has opinions and perspectives on things i stand by my opinions and perspectives, because they are mine. you go ahead and think you're right, and ill go ahead and think im right. |
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i tend to see the arts much the same. every little piece serve its purpose, for the artist and those who witness/listen. |
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and thats why i think the word 'pretentious' is over used.. i always think its ironic when people take the position of critic.. and call things pretentious reading movie and music reviews by 'professional' critics always annoys me... a lot of times these critics dont make movies or music themselves.. they just devote their energy to criticizing the work of those who do... i suppose i'm going beyond the thread now... but i tend to think that art should be criticized by other active artists going back to the people who heckle sports.. they probably suck at playing the sport themselves.. so yeah..it just annoyes me when people are really opinionated about things.. especially knowing that none of the people who bash movies could probably make a better movie themselves...and probably have no intention of trying denniscpearce: all the animation actually was traced by hand by a bunch of different artists... hence the hand-drawn look and yeah, i liked slacker too.. i didnt see it as very different from waking life, actually |
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WOOHOO I've finally catched on to which film it actually is you were talking about.. its been out here and is gone already.. and I missed it. I would've liked to seen it. anyway.. "but i tend to think that art should be criticized by other active artists" thats bullshit. why should they know more about art than the "normal man"? this would imply that art can only be really appreciated by other artists. and then we could take it to a next step - artists can only be reviewed by other artists who are on roughly the same 'level of talent'. when I let people read my plays (I write plays and other texts), they sometimes say: "oh, but I don't know anything about theatre, so what can I say".. who cares!? you are a human being aren't you? you read it and have thoughts about while, or after reading it - express those, however badly vocalised. finally, it really annoyes me when people are kind of unopinionated about things.. ART IS NOT HOLY. |
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art IS holy... but like a religion, you dont have to be a preist to believe in a religion but otherwise i agree with everything you said. |
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a liked waking life very much. first off, if there's ever been a movie to light a spliff to, this is it. TRY IT AGAIN. second, if you watch the movie to find an original glimse into the meaning of life, you are wasting your time. in fact, the movie seems totally opposed to any revelation or conclusion like that (like if we're even awake at all). while you might be interested in what these people are blabbering about, that's just a bonus. to me the drone of philosophy and everyday ideas is just the blanket for you to concentrate on the movement of the screen, and the CHARACTERS! it's like listening to an aphex track, where the melody strings along while the snares fucking rip though it. the transitions between the different artists are nice too -- like a dj set, they sequence them with either similarities or variations (in color, strokes, frame speed, etc.). the movie flows sometimes, or it studders, or blows up. like the one on the bkln bridge. at some points i just fell out in the theatre laughing (i know, the herb helps)...just seeing these cartoons talking serious thoughts with their faces melting and scratching around. the producers definately knew how to blend emotions. like that kook who torched himself -- everyone in the theatre was so fucking shocked or confused i just had to bust out laughing, even though it was so brutal. like seeing peoples expressions at a squarepusher show. anyway, i told my mom to watch it and she hated it. |
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a liked waking life very much. first off, if there's ever been a movie to light a spliff to, this is it. TRY IT AGAIN. second, if you watch the movie to find an original glimse into the meaning of life, you are wasting your time. in fact, the movie seems totally opposed to any revelation or conclusion like that (like if we're even awake at all). while you might be interested in what these people are blabbering about, that's just a bonus. to me the drone of philosophy and everyday ideas is just the blanket for you to concentrate on the movement of the screen, and the CHARACTERS! it's like listening to an aphex track, where the melody strings along while the snares fucking rip though it. the transitions between the different artists are nice too -- like a dj set, they sequence them with either similarities or variations (in color, strokes, frame speed, etc.). the movie flows sometimes, or it studders, or blows up. like the one on the bkln bridge. at some points i just fell out in the theatre laughing (i know, the herb helps)...just seeing these cartoons talking serious thoughts with their faces melting and scratching around. the producers definately knew how to blend emotions. like that kook who torched himself -- everyone in the theatre was so fucking shocked or confused i just had to bust out laughing, even though it was so brutal. like seeing peoples expressions at a squarepusher show. anyway, i told my mom to watch it and she hated it. |
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NO! (oops, sorry..) no, art is NOT holy. it is made by humans, so it can have faults, it should be allowed to be flawed, but that also means one can have an opinion about it, however polarized that opinion may be. |
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Waking life was horrible, it was just trying to be different for the sake of being different, it was a waste of my time. It was just so lame. |
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yeah reflex, i'm quite sure richard linklater just desperately wants to be different. i can just hear him, "damnit, it's too much like such and such, i'll never be an individual!" qter, why is human-made with faults not holy? i think different people have different meanings for the word. i know my defination does not include "flawless" or "not mad by human". |
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eh i suppose i kinda worded that badly.. i actually dont think there should be such a distinction between 'artists', 'normal people' and 'critics' it just seems to me that when someone takes the official position of being a critic.. writing reviews for papers and magazines or whatever... they're placing themselves above both the artists and the 'normal people' ..making them hypocritical when they call things pretentious so yeah.. i dont think critics' opinions should be more valid just because they're published... which is why i think people should make up their own minds about movies and music and art.. and disregard what critics.. and other people say like you said.. everyone is able to appreciate art on their own...they shouldn't have it translated by someone who's declared themselves a 'critic' |
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ah but surely that lies in peoples perception of critics, what a critic's work entails? |
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jupitah: that wasn't really the point. my points was, as its human-made, it can have faults, and because something has faults, you can talk about those, i.e. you may be critical about art. |
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well, since i dont believe in religion, Art is considered Holy in my book. |
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I think religion is totally pretentious. Actually I found Dogma to pretty pretentious. But funny, too. Religions that give the responsibility of our lives and fate to some "higher, sentient being" or "God" frightens me. I didn't vote for Jesus. Churches are theatres. Catch phrases get tired. I think critisizing WL for it's "hand-drawn style", implying that all computer graphic art is about precision and anal retentive "neatness", is down right repressive on those that use the medium. And that's all it is...a medium. If the medium succeeds in conveying it's (dream-like) message then it's been well used. If it doesn't work, then we must reprogram the viewer, cause they're all lazy couch potato-heads. I think Waking Life is important for no other reason that bringing the idea of the dream back to the forefront of popular culture. |
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yeah, dreaming in itself is profound. such a mystery. we spend so much of our life in dream. |
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yeah, dreaming in itself is profound. such a mystery. we spend so much of our life in dream. |
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well not that much time really.. you really only dream for 10 to 20 minutes in the beginning of the REM-sleep.. when you wake up you don't really wake up from a dream but from the memory.. |
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that's not true, sometimes the sound of my alarm enters my dream and integrates before i wake up. and sometimes i wake up really early in the night from dream, and then i go to sleep and wake up from dream again, and then i might have a third round before waking the next morning. but any how, if it is only about fifteen minutes a night that's still significant. and when i dream it's such a dense experience that it's probably equivelent to three hours of mindsless biology lab. |
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yes.. but at those points you are not technically dreaming.. at those moments you are "reliving" the memory in your sleep.. I would also guess that every time you wake a new sleep-cycle starts, with a new REM-period for a new dream to evolve. |
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I'm having that same thing going on with my alarm clock... It just enters my dream as a theft alarm or something and I won't wake up. There's a nother weird thing. -all the sounds and noises arround me while i'm snoosing in the morning ( shower, traffic, mom doing dishes etc...) enter my dreams with a great deetail... It's like my subconciousness knows what the next sound will be and precisely when it will be heard and puts it into context in my dream... Anyone know what I'm talkin about? |
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I mean, if you sleep 8 hours, you don't remember a dream of 8 hours, do you..? its a loop. |
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i didn't think that anyone dreams for 8 hours. but anyway, the point is, almost every single night (maybe every night but i don't always remember) i live out alternate realities. i find it interesting, to say the least. the more i explore my dreams when i wake up, the more i remember them and the more intense, abstract (psychedelic even) they become. people who are seriously interested in exploring their dreams are able to become lucid and go into astral projection. its just such a huge mystery. consciousness leaving the body just seems profound to me, and everybody does it. |
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oh it is. I agree with you on that. |
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lol, i was start to think you were a cold one. |
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well I am the non-bull-shitty kind. but I still think dreaming is pretty weird. it kind of freaks me out, man.. (imagine Kramer doing one of his patented arm movements here..) |
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you were just reminding me of my dad for a bit. he's so skepticle that he just misses out. |
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