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what exactly is "live" when talking about electronic artists? watching orbital live they just turn a few knobs and thats it. most of what they do is changing the light displays rather than altering some sounds. |
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Zes...I think we're defining "Playing" differently...I'm thinking more of picking out a tune on a keyboard not the full blown playing (chords/melody etc all at once...)... and music notation is simple...if you've ever used a sequencer then notation is not a huge step away from the way that works....considering how long he's been creating it seems unlikely he hasn't picked it up (even by accident...)... |
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SAWI/SOSW/ICBYD sounds to me like your standard multi-track midi/cv setup....with cubase running the show... Lay a rhythm down... and then noodle over the top for the other tracks; adding stuff as you go.....select what you like & tweak... that's the way I (& most other midi people) used before things got so digital....it's a pretty standard way of working...which I'd count as "playing"... |
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that's about what i was thinking too. just the concept that not everything is programmed or cut into samples (although RDJ has professed fondness for this method, especially since the RDJ Album). |
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electronic live generally means most is controlled by a sequencer with tweaking & mixing done by the artist... ADATs are another option (8 digital channels on each..).. or even a seq/midi/mixer/synths/sampler combo if you wanna get real "live".... lots of different ways....nowadays ProTools or Live are more popular...with the laptop crew... Difficult to tell whether it's laptop live or laptop Djing sometimes tho.... |
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i saw milli vanilli live, they were great! |
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yeah, rdj is like the start of his digital period to my mind...(hehe...do I sound pretentious or what?..:).. With drukqs being his perfection of that way of working...with an additional electro-acoustic direction which is nice to hear..(the treated paino tracks & the like...)... I think that's where he may go in future releases rather than more DrillnBass, which I think he's taken pretty much as far as he can (VS can take over :).. even Tom J seems bored with that direction...DYKS feels like someone coming to end of a certain cycle... |
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I don't know what to think, I wish the fucker would just spit it out in an interview once and for all... ''can you play the keyboard, and DO you?''. He can, I bet. Even I can play ''Chopsticks'', and I teach myself all the standard simple Beethoven Melodies, ''Ode to Joy'' and all that stuff, on piano. Nothing on RDJ's albums is very complex... he could play it all himself. Sounds like stuff I can play. The beats are what mind fuck me, but his melodies are simple and perfect. He's not trying to be the Yngwie Malmsteen of IDM, with super complex scales and arppegios. Doesn't matter if he plays them or not, not like it would be any great accomplishment to physically play THAT... Of course, that's not a slight at all, complexity is overrated... fuck Steve Vai, gimme some Alberto Balsalm. |
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i think lots of stuff he's done is complex and lots is simple |
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Theres a long line of producers/artists who have used the studio as an instrument...Phil Spector, Joe Meek, George Martin & those Beatles chaps, Brian Eno etc etc...ans Aphex fits well into that line, I think... The studio is as valid and autentic an sintrument as an acoustic guitar, piano, whateverophone.... basically, the mechanism an artist uses to moves my heart/engage my brain/shake me arse is irrelevant... |
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the melodies are simple yet brilliant but what i was getting at when i said "there's a lot going on" is the accompaniment.. it's not monophonic (a single melodic voice). |
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I agree, there's lots of little nuances and nice stuff happening, but even then it's not exactly a technical marvel or anything. The layering of all kinds of little parts fitting into some bigger scheme is what I love about some of his stuff... but none of it is too tough to play, really... the way it all comes together is hard on inducing, of course. Kesson Dasslef sounds like a bitch on the fingers, though. Of course he'd need a few clones of himself to perform some stuff onstage with a keyboard, but his clones don't have to be virtuosos or anything... Weird thought, and weirder mental image... |
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well, i respectfully disagree... i find them very impressive myself |
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His latest stuff is pretty complex...technically & musically... yeah, his early you could probably get a long way with using just FruityLoops but AFX didn't have any of that....SAW 1985 - 92...that's 10-15yr ago...so it's bound not to sound as technically hot nowadays... Thankfully music isn't about technicality; it's about the whole thing and the way everything works together, the holistic view you describe, ops... |
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