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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-10-21 04:27 [#00411074]
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BBC viewer-poll has discovered the GREATEST 100 British people EVER last night !!!
Butcher of the Irish, Oliver Cromwell made the top 10, as did Elizabeth 1 who had her own sister executed ! excellent !
Greatest LIVING Britons are Margaret Thatcher, dark servant of capitalist emancipation & wait for it .... Michael Crawford, camp ex-light-entertainer and serial adulterer!! Yeah!!
good to see revolutionaries such as Robbie Williams and David Beckham at last getting the credit they deserve, and the heroic and philanthropic king Richard III right up there.
I'm so proud to be British !!!
(seriously) :) My vote goes to Charles Darwin who took on the establishment and religious theocracy with his superior understanding and genuine love for humanity. (altogether...AAhhhh) :D
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2002-10-21 04:31 [#00411078]
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I voted for Shakespear
Good ol' will =oDD
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-21 04:33 [#00411079]
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I voted for Jim Bowen!
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-10-21 04:35 [#00411083]
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Did you hear about him calling a coloured woman a nig-nog on radio?
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-21 04:37 [#00411086]
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Your kidding me?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-10-21 04:39 [#00411087]
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We ARE talking about the Bullseye dude? If so, it was in the paper last week. He 'retired' as a result. He said he was 'out of touch with today's times' i.e. he's a racist.
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-10-21 04:41 [#00411090]
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my vote goes to RDJ ;)
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-21 04:41 [#00411091]
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Bullseye bloke indeed. Super, smashing, great, fabulous! What a way to retire though. Insulting people live on air. Then it's my second choice Bob Holness I will vote for.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-10-21 04:49 [#00411096]
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Is Michael Crawford a serial adulterer? Didn't expect that.
It said in the Daily Mail that Michael Barrymore puts drugs in his mother's gravy at a dinner party and she almost died. Crazy bastard.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-21 04:51 [#00411099]
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It also asid he puts all his fags out in the pool.
Sorry.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-21 05:19 [#00411135]
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hey smoky one..long time no sea..how you been?:)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-10-21 05:21 [#00411139]
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Ha ha, I hadn't heard that one :)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-21 05:24 [#00411144]
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Darwin?...are we talking about the same dude?..The Eugenist?....Instrumental in the development of Intelligence tests and Nazi Euthenasia programs??
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-10-21 05:25 [#00411147]
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Hardly. His ideas were taken up, used and abused by social Darwinists true, but he wasn't a precursor to eugenics or any of those reactionary bastards. The same happened with Nietzche (sp?) and the Nazis.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-10-21 05:27 [#00411150]
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Intelligence tests were developed by the reactionary cunt, Hans Eysenck (sp?, again)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-21 05:34 [#00411152]
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Some Eugenic Ideas in Darwin, The Descent of Man,
1st ed., 1871 / 2nd ed., 1874.
Natural Selection as affecting civilized nations. ... But some remarks on the action of Natural Selection on civilized nations may be worth adding. This subject has been ably discussed by Mr W.R.Greg, and previously by Mr Wallace and Mr Galton. Most of my remarks are taken from these three authors. With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the mained, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed. (133-4/138-9; first page numbers to the 1st ed., second to the 2nd ed.)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-10-21 05:44 [#00411156]
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But there is already "degenracy" in what we consider attractive- pictures of 50 females shown to african tribesman were ordered in preferance almost opposite to that of white western males shown the same pictures. The tribesman found the women best equipped for survival, whereas the western males chose the most lithe, fair ones...
Depends on what people term weak- unattractive, poor at surviving in a particular climate (those well equipped to deal with warmer climes wouldn't last long in the other extreme), poor genes, infertile, lack of (or not) of aggression etc. Diversity is the way nature overcomes problems... homogenisation and inbreeding only introduce more problems in the long run- a famous case is of a type of new zealand sheep, bred for 15 generations to maximise wool, they steadily got more and more "wooly" . Then around the 16th generation, they all started to have very thin fleeces. Nature "dealt" with the controlled breeding by reversing the accumulated effect. The same would happen with humans if eugenics was applied over a large enough period (500 years or so...)
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-10-21 05:56 [#00411169]
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human is the most inadapted creature ! animals cant get on with an environement
i think human cant cos god is there were way too bad
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-21 06:06 [#00411175]
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I voted for Shakespear..
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-10-21 06:15 [#00411193]
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i beg ur pardon im in my bed...feverish arggh :(
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-21 06:47 [#00411233]
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amen to that Eugenists were rich pompous upper class Eurocetric twats imposing their social strata like a blue print on the rest of the planet..totally ignoring common knowledge such as the superior intellectual beings that they purpoted to be were also the most inbred genetically degeretaing enfeebled both physically and mentally..there were more occurences per capita of mental handicap and dementia per capita in the upper classes then the lower..and removed from their perfect like cozy coccons they were physically, mentally, emotionally and psychically incapable of surviving in any other locale..even the industrial slum/townships in their own cities let alone the planet faring, savage baiting ambitions they possessed..
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-10-21 06:52 [#00411242]
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CHEERS flea ;)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-10-21 06:55 [#00411244]
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That's why the aristocracy has a reputation for insanity. All families have a mad relative locked up in the attic...
There's also the argument however, that whilst diversity is good, lack of some imbreeding will lead to a single homogenised race, that would be highly susceptible to disease. The best from a survivalist's POV would be a mixture of the 2 strategies... Not saying that's a good thing tho :)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-21 06:55 [#00411246]
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:)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-21 07:04 [#00411259]
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I think instincts have been coded into the psyches (I know I am wading into meta physics even pseudo science here) checks and balances into the equation which in the long run results in evolution of societies..population etc...one way to say it would be to drop a cliche and say "let nature take course"...some people from opposite races are drawn to each other..some (more than some arent)..though there's a healthy proportion of race mixing taking place..(I am one half of one:) )..and it's on more of an increase with diminishing borders..but the homogenised race that people keep warning of is still only in the realm of Photoshoped fashion spreads..but the colour and dimensions this prototype homogenised race are rather alarming...skins are getting lightened..and features..moulded and shaped into an ideal that is not even European..but more of a plastic surgeons figment....
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-10-21 07:14 [#00411267]
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If you think about evolution, it seems strange that people would naturally become one race, it doesn't seem to be a good survival mechanism. I'm sure if it happens nature will introduce some form of division, to re-balance it. Have you read the book Galapogas by Kurt Vonnegut? Good points...
However, what you were saying about being attracted to people of another race, there is a growing belief among geneologists that feelings of attraction for someone are based on the fact that their genes would complement yours (perhaps the reasoning behind the "opposites attract" theory?). Maybe this is the reason people have such different tastes in mates (as in breeding partners-not friends, I hope ;) )?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-10-21 07:19 [#00411269]
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you said it! far more eloquently than I tried to meander in my previos post..:)
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2002-10-21 07:33 [#00411274]
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did you hear that Michael Barrymore was found dead with chocolate around his bum?
George Micheal has been arrested for being "Careless with a Wispa"
=os
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i am dgoHn
from outta fucking space (Yemen) on 2002-10-21 07:51 [#00411291]
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i can't believe that i wasn't in it.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-21 07:56 [#00411295]
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Brilliant!
Gareth Gates is now promoting Penguins. P-P-P-P-P-Pick up a penguin!
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-10-21 07:56 [#00411296]
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Hi flea; friends; comrades....
I actually voted for Lennon, but only because of a lack of genuine heroes. I've been preparing travels next spring to the far east, writing a book and occasionally checking in here to see some really dire threads eg. "coffee or tea?" being answered with humour or insight "when I was a kid I generally preferred coffee, but now I've gone off it a bit ...but its hard to know why".
and other important existential dilemmas ...:((
So I've been killing time more productively.. But with chaps like Ceri flea marlowe and the rest on form perhaps I'll return to full time education ... here @xlt.mb :)
:D
I think Darwins work HAS been classed as racist by modern standards but the modern day non-political evolution movement seems to be all that stands between extreme right-wing religious fundamentalism and US schools. Or am I being too optimistic... Aye probably
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-21 07:58 [#00411301]
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Woah I just got this error message posting that!
Parse error: parse error in /home/web/xltronic.com/html/mb/topic.php3 on line 140
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-10-21 11:19 [#00411694]
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hola smokey - I saw that show too, and registered my fair share of sarcastic remarks on soulseek :)
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-10-21 13:48 [#00411767]
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Adolf Hitler!
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-21 21:54 [#00412228]
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Since when has Hitler been a Briton...
back to History clasees for you, young man...:)...
p.s. BTW Where jand in this list?....
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