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im writing a contrast/classification essay on why squarepusher is not just ordinary drum n bass... basically my point will be taht his music does not confine to the constraints of that particular genre or trend, and it is timeless/far beyond a genre of relatively simple dance music his music is different because: 1) his incredibly complex rhythms and meticulus (sp?) production makes most drum n bass sound like house music in comparisson (and 'complexity' is something drum n bass actually seems to pride itself on...) 2) he actually writes songs, not just tracks song-writing seems to be very rare in the electronic music world.. (can anyone help me explalin the difference between songs and tracks??) i guess songs are more melody and chord progression-driven.. err this will be tough 3) he incorporates REAL jazz into his music, with his own jazz bass and jazz-influenced style of percussion... ...he doesn't just sample some generic trumpet-riff off an old record.... (again, 'jazziness' is something a lot of drumnbassers seem to take pride in... and, again squarepusher without a question out-does them all) any other points you guys think would be good?? any relevant facts or anything??? please!! i hope im not in over my head here lol |
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i know there are other points to make, maybe even better ones, but i think these are the ones i'd be able to argue most effectively but, again, any thoughts or comments and especially suggestions are very welcome! |
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oh, and please let me know how valid my arguments are! i'm no expert on drum n bass (i know a bit), but the arguments seemed to check out with a friend of mine whos a big jungle-head (and dj) ...in fact he was practically offended by them, but he nothign to say in response so i take that as a sign for squarepusher lol |
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a song is a song if it has singing on it. no singing -----> track (that's how i see it). |
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meh music is music |
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i see the song vs trak thing. i think afx does this allot too. its all in the structure. allot of []pushers and afx stuff has a verse / chorus kinda structure. of course its a bit more complicated than that, but they seem to have a re accuring section. a hook! |
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everything is a song to me.. i hate the word 'track' |
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A song is a piece of music that contains lyrics. A "track" can either be an instrumental track, or a song. If you're just talking about a piece of music that is instrumental then I would just call it a track. |
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whatever...I guess my explanation isn't very clear. Anyway, I just call everything tracks. |
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Just copy out his little ''manifesto''. How would your teacher know, unless he's got the album. ;-) |
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song and track are the same thing |
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...dont you people notice a huge difference between beep street, cooper's world, papalon, EZ boogie etc.... ...and normal dance tracks 99% of drum n bass producers make? isn't there a huge difference between paplon and the seven samuri by photek?? i dont get it how you cant sense a huge difference.. or am i just insane? SP's 'songs' can be written with notation.. they have chord progressions and choruses and interplaying melodies... ...not just some girl going "yea-eah-eah-eah" over a big fat bassline for 6 minutes you could imagine paplon or beep street in ur head without thinking about the beat or bassline, its melody is actually imporant it can stand on its own its hard to describe.. somebody back me up! |
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its like a beatles song.. (lets say..) Come Together even without the lyrics, if you just had a keyboard playing the vocal melody, wouldn't you still recognise it as a song, not a track? and not just because you recognise that particular song, but because its different theres clear difference in the actual structure of the music, like hepburnenthorpe said |
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mainstream techno can be written down it uses chords and melodies |
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if you heard the song Come Together laid on top of a big techno beat, with keyboard playing the exact same melody instead of the human vocals.. ...wouldn't you recognise it as quite a bit different than most(almost all) techo?? |
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yes, because the chords and melodic techniques are from a different era. style is made up of different uses of harmonies. there is a definate 60s style, 70s, 80s, 90s. of course id hear a difference. now maybe you dont like modern use of pop harmonies... but you cant deny its not there |
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im not denying that they are there, and im not knocking it, but that doesn't make it a real song ???? i cant believe this... how about this approach: if you heard an average techno song with all the drums, funny little noises, and vocal samlpes removed... ....JUST the melody and chord progresions being played on a keyboard... ...wouldn't it sound like the simplest, most boring, uninteresting, slow, vacuos song you've ever heard?? and im talking about the average techno track here, not some unusual example |
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yeah but it doesnt mean its not a real song take that last part of your last reply... now apply it to every artist that has ever been discussed on this board... the end result wouldnt be much |
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you are basically bashing the art of sound... the main principle behind ALL electronic music sure, in techno its used for pop purposes... but just cause its pop, doesnt exclude it from being related to IDM |
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this debate will continue in 30 mins... the court orders a 30 min recess for simpsons |
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uh...... no it really really wouldn't girl boy song nanou goon gumpas milk man fingerbib cooper's wolrd beep street paplon ez boogie do you konw squarepusher? my sound iambic 5 poetry squarepusher theme out underwater torch your going down eyen squance assault on precinct zero manyme |
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im certainly NOT! why are you getting defensive?? its just a genre of music, one that i happen to LOVE it just so happens, that SP and AFX's sons are clearly different than the rest of it, in teh way that they are in fcat SONGS you said they wouldn't sound any different from most electronic music (TECHNO, even!) if you just listened to their melodies..... im pretty sure every song on that list, and more (ESPECIALLY from BOC) woudl sound pretty different... ..IMHO |
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....sorry:( im getting all worked up here... ...im not as fanatically mad as i sound lol i just had no idea that this was even an issue... ...i always just assumed it was an accepted characteristic of these artists! |
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Hmmm... Pop, poppity, pop, pop. Well ya see, there's manufactured pop, then there's genius pop. And it's just so obvious that aphex and SP are genius eh? Because they can write really meticulous tracks that the "intelligent" dancers can shake their dorky white ass too. Pop music is taking catchy things someone else did and mixing them with another. There's nothing amazingly better about afx and sp than yer normal wank techno producer, they are just the most mod about it right now. In two years they're sound will be realized as shit and they will move on to the next electro-dork making hip new electro-minimalistic meticulous computer generated crud. Yes, afx and sp are good at making intelligent crud. :P |
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the difference between a song and a track is: Song: Stationary composition that usually doesn't go outside the predictable Track: A dynamic compostion that doesn't depend on any set rule. |
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for me a track's a piece of recorded music. a song's a musical composition. |
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that has to be the most biased and non-sensical set of definitions i've ever read, Amonbrune |
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LOL nathan jones |
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It was in my opinion so you can't argue tits |
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hey tits: sorry for over-reacting in taht other topic lol u know what im talking about i dont want to bring it back to the top again so ill just let you know here! (assuming you check this thread again and see this...) |
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I assume this is an essay for schooooool, as it seems like a classic example of a pointless busy-work topic. compare and contrast. whubba wubba... In a desperate attempt to find a loophole in a system that disgraces the pleasures of learning, you managed to at least choose a topic that interests you. The practical way to answer this question would simply be to think about it with your imagination, but I assume they require you to turn in a typed essay of numerous drafts. Put deliberate simple mistakes in the first draft so you can provide a 2nd draft by easily fixing them. If I had this assignment, I'd make a mockery of how stupid it is by comparing and contrasting "on" and "off" or "black" and "white". |
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The Squarepusher difference is that he is a real musician and could likely still make stunning music with acoustic instruments if civilization fell and there were no electricity, which is not something you can say about most other electronic artists. His hyper-complex compositions are actual compositions, not just loop the loops. He has more in common with 70s prog like Emerson Lake and Palmer, Frank Zappa and Yes than Autechre or BoC. There seems to be one school of thought in electronica that looks for interesting patterns in random juxtaposition then edits them together to form a track. Squarepusher is the exact opposite--it's extremely methodical, planned and deliberate. I think that's also a good definition of song versus track. You may now tear me a new hole. |
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write the essay in two parts part 1) describe what drum n bass is part 2) describe what drill n bass is (only I n nn mes Ss eD dd uppup up up up up wwri IT gheing ghiehgtirww - eeeeeehtThhee difeRence sho uld bE e qu i te ap ap ap ap ap pa pa pa pa re re re re n n n n n n n n nn nt) ? Ok that's probably not much help. sounds like you really need to define the structure or constraints of drum n bass music, generate some informal laws dnb adheres to - and how sp violates these!? perhaps draw some similarities between the two which will allow you to account considering []< dnb not drill? |
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