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The artist Damien Hirst said last night he believed the terrorists responsible for the September 11 attacks "need congratulating" because they achieved "something which nobody would ever have thought possible" on an artistic level. Hirst, who is no stranger to controversy, said many people would "shy away" from looking at the event as art but he believed the World Trade Centre attack was "kind of like an artwork in its own right". In an interview, Hirst told BBC News Online: "The thing about 9/11 is that it's kind of an artwork in its own right. It was wicked, but it was devised in this way for this kind of impact. It was devised visually." Describing the image of the hijacked planes crashing into the twin towers as "visually stunning", he added: "You've got to hand it to them on some level because they've achieved something which nobody would have ever have thought possible, especially to a country as big as America. "So on one level they kind of need congratulating, which a lot of people shy away from, which is a very dangerous thing." Referring to how the event changed perceptions, he added: "I think our visual language has been changed by what happened on September 11: an aeroplane becomes a weapon - and if they fly close to buildings people start panicking. Our visual language is constantly changing in this way and I think as an artist you're constantly on the lookout for things like that." Hirst also said any military action to stop more terrorist acts would be a mistake: "I think the thing to do is to stand up and say hang on a minute - this is people, these are bodies, these are lives. The surest way to make it happen again is to go and start throwing stones at somebody." |
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Hirst Should explore the æstheticism of being a Suicide Bomber |
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don't know who he is, but i like him! |
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fair enough .. |
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I said exactly the same thing when I saw things unfurl... so I agree 100% with Hirst... I know a lot see him as a shallow guy but delve deeper and he has so so much to say (see On the Way to Work..his recent book)... As did a badly misquoted Stockhausen...."Lucifers greatest Art work"... This in no way denigrates the deaths involved...but Art has within it the ability to view events like these from many different angles - not just those knee-jerk horror ones the media etc feed us with... |
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Stockhausen said pretty much the same thing after it happened. |
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stockhausen said something remarkably similar to this a while ago. About it being the greatest work of art ever etc. He has the excuse of being a slightly bonkers old man whereas hirst is just a wanker. |
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oop :) |
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is it me or is there an echo in here?... :) |
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.. in here? Art should really involve morality (or some would say), in which sense one can be perfectly entitled in such comments imo .. no matter how morally repugnant these works of art may be considered? |
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I'm sure my brother-in-law's cousin, who died in the WTC, would be pleased to have been part of this great ArtWork. |
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It certainly was "visually stunning", also like the ultimate Hollywood explosion or something... very American. But I wouldn't say they need "congratulating" - bad choice of word. |
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but he'd probably find your avatar distateful as well, paul as well as every video nasty, or blood/violent filled movie we see every day....and rejoice in.... like I said, totally no disrespect to the people who died, relatives but if we cannot discuss shit like this then are we truly Free?.... (and surely, FREEDOM is the thing this war (spit!) is all about....).... p.s. 17,000 people died of hunger yesterday...do the maths...thats 17,000 x 365 since 9/11... |
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that should have read - shouldNT but again a bit of an echo thing going on on. |
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fri 13th would be quite something |
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I thought that was 18,000 a day. Sorry to be picky but 1000 is a fair few. |
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sorry, but I'm gonna ban you now... hahahaha!!!...(that's my evil laugh BTW)... |
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Why not add that we could have exposed the ash covered victims as "dead sculptures" frozen in time and pain, Pompei style... |
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"hahahaha!!!...(that's my evil laugh BTW)... OH COME ON MAN! you're a moderator! work on your evil laughter, AT LEAST.. |
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I hate the media's portrayal of it but you can't abstract an event or art from its social context; either take away the meaning or give it your own. Well, you can but...oh...um...its not right damnit! |
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I think I will stay out of this one..but one thing.. maybe the collapse and crashes were so photogenic..because they were..well designed that way... |
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Damien Hirst is a talentless twat who's one redeeming feature is that he knows how to take advantage of the publics child-like gullability. The only people more moronic than him are those who fork out hundreds of thousands for a cow in a box. |
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maybe...but I was thinking beyond the sheer visual spectacle of it and more how iconic the targets were... It's so hard to put into words...so I guess I may not be explaining myself very well... |
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What of the visual spectacle of the blown apart limbs and torsos of Afghan children? Are they less aesthetically pleasing than New Yorkers leaping from windows? I think you're in danger of a bit of racism here, saying the WTC attack looks nicer than blown up Afghans. |
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Hey lets be honest, the spectacle of two enormous sky scrapers crumbling and sending out a huge cloud of soot is more impressive than a limbless corpse somewhere in the Hindu Kush! Well at least the media gave a little style to the wtc catastrophe... |
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i watched a documentary about 9/11 they did an interview with a guy that took some pictures of the plane that chrashed near pitsburg (im not sure), and apperantly media ppl wanted those photos badly-and they were also offering him lots of money but the guy didn't want to sell them, instead he gave those for free to the ppl that were doing this documentary my point would be, there is still some decent people even in US |
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"there is still some decent people even in US" hehe. You sound so full of optimism regarding Americans hehe. |
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im optimist all the way it sounds a little hard on US ppl!? but its true hehe |
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You are too kind hehe |
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"Should involve morality" It sounds like you're saying as long as you have to consider it's morality and then after this if the outcome be either good or bad it's art anyway. I suppose there's those pictures by the black and white photographer guy of well 1 example. Hiroshema and the little girl with napalm burns. you see I was going to say that art should be edifying ... I can't see any point on any further discussion. |
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doesn't stirr me much. but if he's an artist, surely he would agree that it would have been better to let the special effects folks that did the matrix create the scene rather than some crazy terrorists. |
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The attacks were clearly planned with the media in mind... |
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I agree, but I also feel it can be dangerous to engage in too much "performance" art of an anti-social nature. It reinforces more conservative people's views of bohemians as degenerate wasterals who have no place in modern society. It is certainly true that there is a degree of "art" in things like that though. I mean, look at Fight Club, palahuick has helped bring about the society written about in the book (real world fight clubs have sprung up following the success of the film)... |
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