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In you opinions, what is the most complicated piece of music (excluding classical music..) ever? It was a tie between Cock/ver10 by Aphex Twin and a track by a progressive metal band called Dream Theater for me...but Dream Theater won in the end, because of the way the themes are developed, the amazing solos, and the very clever structure.... |
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hahahahahaha |
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next thing you are gonna tell me Yngwie malmsteen is the best musician ever to grace this planet... |
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no, brian may is |
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heh |
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squarepusher's go spastic |
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I assume that you have simply read critical reviews of Dream Theater (which unfairly say they are self-indulgent twats) rather than actually listen to them? Because, if you had heard (some) of their material (not all of it...) then you would see they ARE amazing musicians? Please try and be polite and reasonable when you debate. |
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Yes I forgot all about Squarepusher's Go Spastic...that has the most AMAZING drum programming imo. |
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NO I have actually heard Dream Theater and several others of the whole art metal movement that poped up around that time. When you make a claim as huge and sweepingly ridiculous as the one you just made..politeness..well just falls out the window and gets replaced with gleeful mirth |
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Btw..ever heard of Vivaldi? Paganini? or even John Coltrane? |
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It's not ridiculous at all....I just said the structure is clever, and the solos amazing, imo...it's all opinion. (This is simply based on their album called Scenes Of A Memory...some of their other albums are very average imo) |
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(I excluded classical music) |
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i prefer porcupine tree |
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Charlie Mingus, Thelonious Monk...even more mainstram musos like Al DiMeola and Chick Corea has more complex structures than Dream Theater...... |
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There's this one bassist called Stu Hamm..whose compositions world run circles around Dream Theater..all by himself |
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Of coarse..Jaco Pastoriosis (sp)..Tom Jenkinsons main inspirations..bass centric compositions would leave legions of progressive metallers feeling all thumbs.. |
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the jury is still out on this one, for me. |
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flea, you have to understand I have only got into prog metal in the last two days, and only have one three albums, so don't bite my head off! I don't know any of the others...I'll have to try them out. I've been mostly listening to electronic and classical music up till now. |
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well heed my warning..Progressive Metal is a wasteland where..pretentious wankers who want to be Motley Crue but think themselves somehow superior go to die in obscurity....based on two days and three albums you are making a claim as huge as this?...Wanna try complex..try some of Zappa's later, almost wholly electronically composed works..they were intentionally created so complex that no musos could play along..expcept for that pretty boy, show off tosser(I hate to admit it) Steve Vai.. |
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Thanks for the recommendation! I was getting a little tired of Autechre and Aphex Twin (however good they were) so I thought I'd try Dream Theater...and I suppose I was initially amazed at the very fast synth solos...I'll have to try Zappa...is it complicated in the subtle Autechre way, or in a different way? |
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logon rock witch. easy! |
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I'm thinking... but I can't come up with an answer. I'm not into complexity much... always sounds like its trying to hard. It's very difficult to make something extremely complex and not have it come off as pretentious. Most of the music that sticks with me is subtle/understated, or just plain good, regardless of how many movements and notes it strings together. |
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You're right..I'm just wondering out of interest...I enjoy subtle music more usually, I just fancy a change. :D |
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Er...I tried some Zappa...all I could find was Frank Zappa, so assuming that was right I downloaded it...and it's just like a a song with lots of offensive lyrics...Are you having me on, or am I trying the wrong thing? |
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Zappa is awesome... he's a lot more than just a lot of offensive lyrics. ;-) What the bloody hell did you download? |
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Er...Some track called Charmata. It's actually quite funny. What track should I try for the electronic/complicated side? |
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Sorry, but James Labrie's voice is hilarious. I will admit that they are very talented musicians and that I even think some things they do, mostly the more metal side, are pretty interesting. Mike Portnoy is an amazing drummer... for what they do. That poor man couldn't swing or shuffle to save his life, therefor, he'd make a horrible jazz/bop drummer. Most complicated song ever? That's kind of a ridiculous question because there SO MANY complicated tracks done by MANY artists in MANY different styles. 'Formula' by Aphex is pretty intense, as is a lot of the tracks on Go Plastic (Go! Spastic & Greenways Trajectory -- but let's not forget Big Loada with Come On My Selector and Significant Others). And in a word; Autechre. Also, even though Steve Reich is considered by many as a minimalist, there is a great deal of complication in a lot of his work, as is Miles Davis (Bitches Brew, Black Beauty). Basically, I can't even begin to form an answer for this question. There's so much music out there and a lot of it is very complicated and on different levels. Sometimes there's a lot going on and the listener doesn't even notice it. |
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And the majority of the tracks on Venetian Snare's 'Higgins...' album. |
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ae's lentic catachresis |
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one of the most complex there are a lot of songs to listen to on earth in order to have a valid judgement =p |
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Well if by complicated you mean layered, textural I'm a bit stuck if classical is excluded Schoenberg, oops sorry that just slipped out. Now I think about it that's probably not a good example of complexity is it? However if by complexity you mean weird then there's a few cd's I have of very complicated music. My X tried to explain all this to me once but as usual -in one ear out the other ;{ I must try and get up to speed |
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can't fink of any tracks right now, but Todd Dockstader and Aaron Funk are way out there...... |
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pat metheny does some complex stuff, but in my opinion does not come off as pretentious. and then jaco and pat were partners in the later 70s, too. |
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Netlon Sentinel |
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ZAPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love ZAPPA!!!!!!!!! |
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bobby brown goes down |
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how about 'rite of spring' by stravinsky. that must have been created by god. or did you exclude classical? |
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most complicated artist that sounds good: squarepusher most complicated artist that is just down right complicated: venetian snares |
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Ae's non-repetitive beat classic "Flutter" anyone... ;.) |
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I like extremeties, like "the most complex track", so any good answers to this intrigue me. From what I've heard: autechre "acroyear2"- presents an awesome information overload at high speed, and 777 is super complex and awesomely weird on headphones. michael fakesch "(2nd to last track on album "marion")- this is amazing in "complexity" but in a way, it's also extremely simple. It's the simplest most humble drum beat taken to the extreme in repeatedly taking different unique paths of progression at high speed. otto von schirach- holy shit, listen to track 3 on "8000 bc" richard devine "lipswitch"- track 2 is hard to comprehend but somehow fits together madly plus is rich in panning. crunch- "werdz" plus the latter half of the album is so friggin wickedly evolved, it's practically an organic life form. |
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Boards of Canada - Magic Window |
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...seriously though Aphex Twin - Mt Saint Micheal Squarepusher - Greenway's Trajectory, My Fucking Sound and Go! Spastic Ae - Gantz Graf (i havent heard much new Ae, infact Gantz Graf is the only 'new' EP i have from Ae, so i find it quite complex but still pleasing) |
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autechre's cap.iv most of drukqs most of go plastic most of confield most of venetian snares' higgins something something |
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oh, i forgot, most of big loada |
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Yngwie malmsteen fucking amazing! he so fast! why u no like him! u racist! |
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ziggomatic v17 |
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What About Venetian Snares & Ae? Snares - Fuck Toronto Jungle Autechre - Lentic Catachresis I'm sure i will be told i am wrong but these are more complex than Cock10 |
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What About Venetian Snares & Ae? Snares - Fuck Toronto Jungle Autechre - Lentic Catachresis I'm sure i will be told i am wrong but these are more complex than Cock10 |
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i think youll get told wrong twice! |
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but not by me.. |
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