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"what happened to time for yourself as a concept" I think it was bought out by Nextel... ;.) |
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DaWheeze, you hit the nail on the head - I'm jealous of all these Wonderful people, with so much talent, who are so lucky to be chosen to represent Vodafone or Pepsi-Cola I admit it I'm talentless and eaten up inside for not being a success in a Capitalist Society |
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this whole thing about musicians "selling out" is so old.. |
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So are corrupt politicians, but people aren't going to just ignore that because it's old |
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for arguments sake, marlowe.. in what way are they selling out? |
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I'm not saying that you have to ignore anything - I guess there isn't that much TO ignore.. |
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well, if they are writting songs FOR these companies... then maybe... but most likely they are just using older songs... which is fine, since they arnt compromising their artistic integrity people need to live, and money helps that process |
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i was wondering that myself, not too long ago. some of my friends can't understand why I can have just as much fun by myself as with them... (and I dont mean wanking, you sickos!) |
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Marlowe: So do something about it... Trent Reznor did... Why can't you... ;.| |
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my 2c. its not that I care if my favorite musicians' songs are aired in tv commercials, like many of you have pointed out, money is necessary to live (unless you find a plot of land uninhabited/unowned by anyone and manage to grow your own food and live a rather rough life in the wilderness). I just can't stand it when people I disapprove of totally bastardize the music and listen to it only to fit into a certain image. Obviously this has not happened to IDM and hopefully never will, but I have watched it happen repeatedly to bands that I used to like. In example, I see people everyday at my school wearing clothes that fit them into the "(pop)punk" image (one that is denoted by the spurn of affluence) and then drive away in lexuses and mercedes' gabbing away mindlessly on their cell phones. I just dont want to wake up one day and find every wanker and his mom wearing aphex twin shirts and talking about how cool he is because they saw him in a commercial and tv makes everything cool, right? please excuse my rambling. |
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I know what you mean and in some way I feel the same way, but the larger part of me thinks: "so what.. if I like it, thats fine.. I know why I like it..". I can't be really bothered. however, it IS shit whenever you hear a track it makes you think of the product its been related to. thats not right at all, and its the danger of selling your music for commercials.. |
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Reminds me of dirty vegas. Some rather mediocre (sp?) dance band from over here do a commercial, and now, apparently, they are big over in the states. That isnt the way i'd like to get my name. |
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If you'd all read an earlier post of mine, I'm not talking about Song Integrity, I'm talking about being the Musician representing Vodafone / Ford / Pepsi-Cola and other faceless corporations - These musicians have influence, and that is why their material (and thereby their tacit compliance) is being bought up and used to advertise their products, perpetuating the Soulless, humaneless Capitalist society... |
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Why isn't one a "sellout" the minute they start charging fees to aquire their recording or watch their performance? |
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good question, i, too, wonder. |
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mmm.. NIN maybe.. but the Velvet Underground..? and BoC..? |
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Bullshit A part of all of us dies a little when great art from the heart and mind is abused , yes ABUSED by MONEY-MEN in order to sweet-talk us into thinking they're heartfelt, cool, right -on MONEY-MEN , that we will give our money to. When I hear former alternative comedians doing voice-overs for mobile-phone ads' (Paul Merton) I feel an essential part of their humour dying. They stop being a catalyst for dissent, subversive insight, and inspirational freed-thought, and become instead staid assets of the institution "Corporate First World". The breath of fresh air they delivered becomes stale. Do we have to accept that we all really do just want, deep down, to be "Alright Jacks", rolling in cash, cut off from the world in our lavish grounds ... without regard for those we trample with our ignorance ? In this world of careerist theologians, self-serving politicians, spoilt-brat celebrities and a media which implores us to see everything we own as a mirror on who we are..... Is the limit of our aspiration to say "I wanna be one of them" Artists... people who allow us a blessed release from the cold steely punch of the 21st century with moments of awe-inspiring trancendence Comedians... people who turn the mirror back at the lives we are told to aspire to ; and shake us with laughter out of our dulled minds with their lightning insights... They hold a precious power to inspire us to think and feel differently from the prosaic life-view of the masses. And when they allow their reputations to inspire; to be sold to multi-national companies running this planet to new depths of inequality, pollution and greed; Billy Connolly "Don't live a little, live a LOTTO..." Enter the game ! Pay poor-mans' tax to the government to stop them having to close your schools .... in the vain hope you might fulfill your material aspirations ; or else buy your way out of the poverty your lottery-desparation painfully exacerbates !!! Billy Connolly, an important part of your hum |
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Because they are representing themselves, not Pepsi/Ford/Vodafone |
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Billy Connolly, an important part of your humour died. Because cynical taxation playing on human material insecurities...... Isn't funny. Its exactly the opposite. Its sinister. And your profiteering from it is one sick joke. Our society commodifies us by imposing aspirations to commodities upon us. We are all actors. Playing real-life parts on real-life sets in which our material assets and posessions cast our roles for the leering lustful world to see. Advertising is the patron for this drama, this bleak tragedy. Its why $Billions are invested into keeping us fixed on our goals, our greed, our gain. And it woos us to the theatre with our favourite sounds. Sounds which comfort, please, and lull us through the door and onto the wheel. marlowe is castigated as a seen as a whining cynic .... but could the majority of posters here just be demonstrating that they have lowered their own aspirations to becoming commodities under the weight of the world ; And they don't want their bubble burst by the cold pin of truth..... I know which view I "Subscribe" to. heh :) |
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I remember reading in U2's book "At The End of The World" that when their label (Island) was almost bankrupt, they lent the label money in return for a share of the company and a better contract - the contract included the right to own their songs outright, meaning their entire back catalogue belonged to them, not their label. This is the sort of deal that bands like the Stones and shit use, so that when they sign to a new label all their music comes with them, not just the albums they're going to make. This also allows them to completely deny any kind of leasing to advertising, which some record companies do without asking. But this was in 1987 and I think bands nowadays may be a little more up to speed. Well, apart from the really STUPID ones, of course. Nu-metal step up... |
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