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im just curious why a lot of Europeans are against war in Iraq. Now u may call me naive but my views are that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and if we dont destroy them and their power to make them they will use it against other countries. Now your argument may be that war isnt the solution, however they refused past inspections by the UN to look for them etc well im just curious for everyones opinion since this board represents many differen countires |
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Because if they support an attack on Iraq, terrorists will target them as well... If Iraq has those weapons, they'll use them against Israel first. Hussein would love to be the man known as the "Destroyer of Israel"... The UN, as always, is trying to find a political solution for a country that has a policy "shoot first, ask questions later". Only the Iraqi people can do something about it that won't involve huge amounts of casualities...and they're not helping, for obvious reasons... Stupidity is the order of the day. A round for everyone! ;.P |
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I think that the us goverment (with their endless recourses) should focus more on finding a optional fuel or energy that don't fuck up the enviroment instead of trying to steal Iraqs oil. |
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Erm... don't the US & Europe have EVEN MORE lethal weapons of mass destruction ? And how long do you think it would take us to use them to wipe Iraq off the map if they so much as pointed theirs at Europe ? Exactly. They wouldn't take the risk. Iraq represents no danger to the west, but is a ripe cherry for the US gaining control of the South Asia oil reserves and playing its war games to deflect attention from domestic problems , and boost its military-industrial complex in which US leaders have so much $ invested. Viva freedom !! |
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USA = the number 1 " Rogue State " |
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"Now u may call me naive but my views are that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" Well, how about usa then? How many weapons of massdestruction do you think they have? I'd say A LOT. Hipocracy... |
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bout time we put those fuel cells to use.. |
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Yeah! In sweden (acourding to the meteorologists) we have had the warmest summer in a 100 years!!!! Whats it called? Greenhouse effect? |
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the difference between us haveing them is that we arent as eager to use them, where as saddam has gased his own people.. i dunno well not saying the us is 100 % right thats why i see your opinions |
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so if you're not eager to use your weapons , what are you gonna do in Iraq ? tickle them with feather dusters 'til they tell you where Saddam is hiding , then go there and throw fruit at him ? |
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um ok? you dont have to be ajerk about it |
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i'm pro-fuel cell cuz 1: earth-friendly 2: end oil interests/conquests 3: efficient then on to fight the diseases in africa.. |
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theres a difference between conventional war weaponry and "weapons of mass destructions" bad topic i guess.. forget posting to this just going to turn into some typical hatred towards the US rant |
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He wasn't being a jerk about it - What do you think the US used in Afghanistan? Blow-up dolls? Of course the US government is SUPER eager to use their weapons whenever possible and create situations throughout the world - otherwise they might be forced to spend some of the US Budget on trivial things like healthcare and education... instead of lovely weapons of mass destruction |
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its the way people try to prove a point. |
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Was it his use of humourous sarcasm - I know I laughed aloud when I read his post - he made his point, and he made it sharply & with humour - no better way to |
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i disagree, how do you think the us should have responded to 9/11? war in afghanistan was need to decrese terrorism which benefits a lot of countries. or were we supposed to ignore it and jsut send them money so theircorrupt government could spend it on "trivial" things like terror camps instead of "trivial" things like healthcare and schools? |
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"Whats it called? Greenhouse effect?" exactly. it's causing glaciers in the arctic (where i'm from) to wane as well... =( |
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i say we let iraq bomb america, even if it does hit me. we fucked up our country, its time for us to pay. |
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Can you e-mail me your proof that Usama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network were behind the 9/11 incident? (PS proof doesn't include President Bush saying it was Bin Laden, nor does it include the simple brain-damaged Bin Laden claiming he did it, either) |
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our politicians desperately want to join nato. supposedly this is the best way for our small country to protect it self. but nobody answers where is the danger coming from-i mean we're in the middle of europe, who is going to interfere? america? most of the population is against joining btw |
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we can develop ways to un-f*** ourselves. it takes rationalism, hope, and common sense to see those ways. and i am aware that successful changes don't happen instantaneuosly. |
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lol are you serious? well if you see airport footage of the hijackers, mohammed atta, the supposed ring leader has tied to al qaeda, there is proof, who do you think it behind it? |
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The irony is that the orginal terrorist were zionist jews wanting a seperate state and forcing out the british. |
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i think dubya is behind it. |
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the "supposed" ring leader... "has tied to"... You do know that, prior to 9/11. Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network had been involved in precisely ZERO acts of terrorism right? Yet somehow, they managed to pull off perhaps "the biggest act of terrorism"... and of course you know that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family have business ties... George W Bush was in business with Usama's brother in fact. So, I would guess that the CEO of USA is less than innocent... but I wouldn't be so bold as to blow up the White House and install a new Government because of my suspicions |
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listen to marlowe, you can learn a thing or two |
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FLEA is the man with all the statistics and information - he's sent me some great word files on information he's collated |
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Not true marlowe, Bid Laden was invloved in many relatively minor acts of terrorism (nevertheless killings dozens) such as the bombing of the US embassy in Kenya, numerous operations in somalia against the civilian population... |
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The acts of terrorism Bin Laden had claimed to be responsible for pre-9/11 were untrue and he had been humiliated in the past for claiming an act of terror which someone else committed... |
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I'm not too sure about that marlowe, but if you can find a reliable source i'll believe you. I'm pretty positive on the US embassy bombing in Kenya. |
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Good discussion. |
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To go back to the original question... Who gave Iraq the ability to make such weapons ? USA... How ? They sold missiles to Iraq; missiles in themselves fairly good instruction manuals... remember RDJ taking apart a piano and re-assembling it ? Like that.... If they used their "MASS" destruction weapons (IE blew up London or Tel Aviv), IRAQ would be blown off the map. Why would they want that to happen ? Remember the USA spent 30 years fearing imminent annahilation by Russia. Then came the chill and both sides admitted they would never have bombed each other and ensured their own annahilation. How do you do this war thing ? Just carpet bomb Baghdad ? Then watch 100 more 747's fly into New Yorks towers ? This war will fail. The last time the US went into war without support, as a "ROGUE STATE" (so to speak).... was Vietnam. good 2 see marlowe back. :) |
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heh, so america will lose this one! :)! |
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I'll have a search and see if I can find something online - My source wasn't an online article so I'm not 100% sure I'll find the exact one :) Hey Smokey, good to see you too :) |
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They was a rumour that the French sold plans for the creation of an atom bomb to Saddam during the (he's our good guy in the east bashing those fundementalist Iranians) period. Didn't the west also sell the super-gun to him, that 100 m long piece of artillery capable of destroying targets hundreds of miles away? The fact remains that Saddam is the leader of a State where distinction between religious legitimacy and statesmanship are made and the coran is not taught in schools. |
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this war thing could also be a big conspiracy lie. why would the us start a war on its own?! thats stupid. they definatly have some connection w/ iraq, and it isnt opposing each other. bush is trying to cover up 9/11 by pretending that theres a war and iraq are playing along with it. |
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Possibly, but nothing has been done yet. What freaks me out is that i'm going to live in London next year and if Blair gets all horny and jumps on Bushe's band wagaon i should expect some heavy boombing scattered around the city! |
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Mistah Kurtz> No , Europe didn't sell WEAPONS to Iraq. We (Britain) sold them "Machine tools"(John Major) .... (?) No, the USA didn't sell them WEAPONS. They sold them "Farming equipment"(Bush senior).... you know .... armoured tractors........ ............high-powered pump action irrigation sprayers with a reach of 1,000 miles..... flame -throwing foliage rakes etc...... |
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I reckon that Bush will mark the 9/11 anniversary with a quick parade in New York followed by a nice full-scale invasion. I'm going to start digging a hole in the garden... |
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LOL, quite true, reminds me of the "special advisors" Kennedy and Johnson sent to "help" the South Koreans with their "technical difficulties" in sustaining a US friendly "democratic" regime. I just love those euphemisms. Oh and anyone seen that wierd new George Michael video (spank the dog or something like that!), the music is shit as usual but the imagery is quite appropriate... |
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"The next generation of Iraqi missiles will be able to reach the whole of Europe as well as the Indian sub-continent. On top of that Saddam is just as likely to use terrorists to deliver such weapons." Thats a nice thought for all we europeans isn't it ? |
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oops, not South Koreans, south Vietnamese... Well south anything really... |
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i understand your point on Iraq not wanting to use their weapons because they would be wiped off the map as a result, however an argument can be made where he could use them against say Israel since most of the middle east hates them.. now that doesnt really affect me but the US has to by some unknown reason support them (well i guess its known) If war isnt a solution what would be a rational one? do nothing? whats your opinion? |
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1. Killing Saddam will only result in chaos, the rivalling groups will start a war. Some other asshole will take his place. 2. Starting a war will give Saddam an excuse to launch his missiles(if he has them) 3. Various terrorgroups around the world will demand revenge. 4. The entire Arab/Muslim world is opposed to the attack, you could risk a massive war between the christian world and the muslimworld. Oil prices will go up and invested money will be withdrawn from the west. 5. Thousands will be killed, economies will be ruined. After the war there will be extreme poverty in Iraq. solution: I wish there was a simple and quick solution. Unfortunately there isn't one. These issues need to be resolved in small steps. I can't go into details, that's what the negotiators are for. |
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