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offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2002-09-01 13:20 [#00374393]
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I'd be interested to hear your views on this:
linky


 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 13:57 [#00374403]
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i agree with everything she says in the article.

it's the same thing chris morris was trying to satirise in
the 'paedophiles' episode of Brass Eye. and he ended up
becoming the target of the howling shellsuited mob too
because of it.


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 14:43 [#00374440]
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a good areticle, those people and the media make me sick

all this hype over particular cases...why should these take
precedence over others that then go unnoticed...its all to
sell papers.

I noticed the media went very quiet on that milly case all
of a sudden. why's she any less important now? I also
noticed that straight away finger were being pointed at the
internet being a cause of the 2 girls going missing. media
hype


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-09-01 14:49 [#00374448]
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interesting/sad read

this line in her article said it all for me!

"No wonder hatred invariably proves more durable than love."
=/


 

offline MistahKurtz from Paris (France) on 2002-09-01 14:57 [#00374467]
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Actually there was a recent case of a 14 year old girl being
raped (and killed?) in the US after meeting some chap on the
net... It is however highly inappropriate to fabricate a
news item related to the case without any real evidence of
any dangerous chats online...


 

offline core from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 14:57 [#00374468]
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a curious question: is this paedophile phenomenon a regular
fixture in the united states too? we rarely hear anything in
the uk about overseas incidents of this kind, and yet it
seems to be in the british media every month...

is the phenomenon itself a global thing, or is it just the
british media's handling of it that is different?

thoughts?



 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 15:01 [#00374471]
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thank god the lynch mob can't legally have guns in the uk...


 

offline MistahKurtz from Paris (France) on 2002-09-01 15:06 [#00374479]
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Oh of course its global core, but Britain has the highest
concentration of serious sex offenders in Europe!
Paedophilia is amost non-existant in certain southern
european countries like Portugal and Italy. Maybe western
anglo-saxon cultures are more prone to this form of crime
out of disrespect and a lack of love for the child?


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-09-01 15:08 [#00374484]
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sadly every other day there is a lead story about a missing
or abducted child.

the latest one just ended happily? if you can USE that word
in this case, with the arrest of the MOTHER who hired two
men with guns go in beat up the father and kidnap their son
in the middle of the night. the son is back with his father
(with psychic scars i'm sure) and his mum is in jail. =/

this HIGH profile case just ended and is in the penalty
phase - deciding life or death.

http://www.courttv.com/

if you ever wanna know whats going on in legal news in the
US.....go to this site. it's a fascinating channel to watch!
i'm officially addicted.



 

offline MistahKurtz from Paris (France) on 2002-09-01 15:09 [#00374487]
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How can you have a tv dedicated to court cases! Thats
profoundly immoral!


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 15:12 [#00374492]
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the attitudes towards these things differs greatly in the
rest of europe regarding relationships with younger people
(not that i'm saying we should jump into bed with them!)

anyway, we are getting things mixed up...these high profile
cases aren't even to do with sex offences, just the murder
of young people...its mixups like this that makes it even
more dangerous


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2002-09-01 15:12 [#00374493]
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must be easy for coen brothers to make movies like fargo,
its enough if they follow the news hehe
but that's really not appropriate thing to say-so please
excuse me


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 15:13 [#00374495]
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"psychic scars "

ehehehe


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-09-01 15:24 [#00374517]
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hush ...... rascal.....i'm a terrible spellerrrrrrrrrrr!!

----

yes.....court tv is a bit of a new kid on the block...i
think it's been around 2-3 yrs. it's fascinating to watch
the legal workings in action. i know who i'd hire if i were
ever in trouble.



 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 15:33 [#00374525]
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is it interactive? do you get to vote people to the chair
too?

I mean, we all know the general public are wise...just look
at the answers on family fortunes


 

offline MistahKurtz from Paris (France) on 2002-09-01 15:37 [#00374528]
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LeCoeur are you a francophile, an inhabitant of New
Orleans/Louisiana, a french emmigré to the US? ... ?


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 15:38 [#00374530]
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quote family fortunes contestent

"Name a dangerous race"

"The Arabs"


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-09-01 15:40 [#00374533]
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yup.....it tis interactive in a way

they read emails as you send them. they have a daily poll
called the '13th juror' and you vote on the topic of the
day.

ie. does so and so deserve the death penalty.

they have people like alan dershewitz arguing different
sides of cases. and the commentators are all working
attornies (or barristers like ya'll say). it's interesting
to say the least to see the legal system in action.


 

offline MistahKurtz from Paris (France) on 2002-09-01 15:41 [#00374534]
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Law is a very, very clumsy and mechanical instrument, and we
people are very, very delicate and subtle beings.


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2002-09-01 15:43 [#00374536]
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As long as it bears no resemblance to that other show ...
erm whatsit called ? "Judge Judy" ? Bad Trip TV !


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-09-01 15:43 [#00374537]
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heheh

i guess you could say i'm a francophile! i love the people,
language, architecture, and the country!

met some really wonderful people whist there.

but i'm not french....my ancestory is italian and spanish.
however i was born/bred in the US =o)


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 15:44 [#00374538]
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yeah but you don't actually get to vote them to the chair =(


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-09-01 15:46 [#00374540]
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hahahha

Judge Judy is PURE entertainment....it's funny to watch that
show. but you must bear in mind it is FUN, and not serious.

Court TV is very different and very serious in most cases.

----
mistah....thats a lovely description of homosapiens.....i'll
have to remember it!


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-09-01 15:49 [#00374542]
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no no no no........you meant the electric chair i
assume....oye

no......i mean you as a viewer are only an observer. but if
you send in an email and it's interesting....they'll mention
your name and discuss your topic.

you should write in sometime....i bet you're full of things
to say =0)


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2002-09-01 15:54 [#00374546]
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Kill 'em all by stoning ! ;)
"No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle!"


 

offline MistahKurtz from Paris (France) on 2002-09-01 15:56 [#00374547]
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Jehovah! Jehovah!


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 15:56 [#00374548]
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I doubt my connection is fast enough =(

but it would be interesting, a nationwide peoples court...

jonny rotten was on judge judy wasn't he? I never worked out
if that stuff was real...did people just have to sign
something that said they'd go along with her verdict or
what?

the national enquirer say her husband was cheating on her :O
(classy publication!)


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2002-09-01 15:58 [#00374549]
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"Spare a Talent for an old ex-leper?"



 

offline MistahKurtz from Paris (France) on 2002-09-01 15:59 [#00374550]
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Since the dealth penalty has been mentioned take a look at
this example of european tongue and cheek!

"Germany has told the United States it will withhold
evidence against Sept. 11 conspiracy defendant Zacarias
Moussaoui unless it receives assurances that the material
won't be used to secure a death penalty against him,
Germany's justice minister said in remarks released
Saturday. Investigators suspect Moussaoui, who is awaiting
trial in Virginia on charges of conspiracy to commit
terrorism and murder federal employees, was training to
become the pilot of one of the airliners hijacked for the
attacks when he was arrested."


 

offline Judge Dredd on 2002-09-01 16:08 [#00374552]
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US example


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2002-09-01 16:27 [#00374554]
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Christ ! Talk about distilled sensationalism!


 

offline Peter File from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2002-09-01 16:54 [#00374572]
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Link-u-like


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-09-01 18:20 [#00374642]
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Peter File > that is so close to being a realistic example
of UK tabloids that the satire outweighs any claims to it
being in poor taste (which tabloid coverage always is). Do
you remember the BrassEye uproar in the Star being on the
same page as a picture of "Rear of the Year" 15 year old
Charlotte Church pictured in a tight top with the headline
"Chest swell!" (thats right she's 15 & her tits are
growing)

Ben > Agree with you about the lack of distinction between
child-fanciers (pedophiles) and child- killers
(Brady/Hindley etc...). The two aren't mutually inclusive
and Britain DOES have a confused attitude towards sexuality;
always has.

No surprise that the two families' tragedies have been
hi-jacked by careerist MP's and moral crusaders to drain us
of yet further civil liberties.

Heres a thought... If you saw a child on their own looking
lost and vulnerable in a street or field , would you go and
talk to them ? If they were out on a country lane would you
offer them a lift ? I ask this because the climate we have
created is one where the only way to protect yourself from
claims of attempted abuse/abduction are to sail on by and
completely ignore the situation. Even slowing your car to
check out the kids' state could be seen as
predatory........
And yet you could miss the chance to save their life or at
least get them home safely...

paranoid times these my friends


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2002-09-01 18:36 [#00374650]
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..and it affects everyone now.

I was in a mall the other day and there was this little
asian toddler pissing around in a shop having evaded her
parents' supervision. So I look down at her and she just
gives me this beaming smile - the kind that small children
give that makes you all shmushy and want to exclaim
"awwww!". I look up (this is all happens within a split
second or two) and her mother gives me this look like I was
some kind of fecking pedophile or something. It's
understandable on her part, especially in light of recent
events but it still sickened me.

What is happening to modern society ?!


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-09-01 19:04 [#00374672]
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its very sad isn't it?


 

offline hedphelym from Montreal (Canada) on 2002-09-02 19:35 [#00375955]
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SO SO SAD & HORRIBLE!


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-09-03 08:46 [#00376525]
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I posted a thread about this last week after seeing the mob
outside court. It looked medieval. There were parents who
had taken their kids (quite young in many cases) to hurl
abuse at the van. Many of the children were quite obviously
distressed, and not at the murder, but the behaviour of the
people around them.

This is all fueled by the right wing press who whip up
hysteria about paedophilia, abuse and murder. If you look at
the statistics, it is not strangers who abuse or murder
children, but family members. It is the family, which the
right wing holds so sacred, that is the arena for abuse. Its
the same regarding women. In the UK, two women die at the
hands of their spouses every week.


 


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