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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:20 [#00271472]
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 ok... very important question for the musicians out  there...
 
  i am saving up money, and sellin my old equipment.
  What should i get?
  do i get a sampler? a digitial-analouge synth? a sound modual?
  i just dont know anymore
  i was originally thinking sound modual, so i could have good  real sounds...
 
  but the i thought, that i wouldnt be able to make personal  sounds... 
 
  so i though a synth perhaps, or even  a sampler...
  i just dont know... thoughts?
  im looking in the 2000-2500 range i guess
 
  
         
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           010101
             from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-17 23:22 [#00271475]
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Get a Theromin!!
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:23 [#00271478]
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hehehe
  um... gonna have to pass on that one :)
 
  
         
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           010101
             from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-06-17 23:31 [#00271486]
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Don't buy music stuff go on holiday.
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:33 [#00271488]
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gotta buy music stuff!
  its my livelyhood, its my purpose in life, its all i love
  well not all i love... but you get the idea
 
  
         
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           mylittlesister
             from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-17 23:39 [#00271496]
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holiday does sound tempting!
  I dunno what u shud buy... go hhere and ask on the  message board, maybe. Matt on there knows ALOT about this  stuff, he's loaded, he's always getting new toys! 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:40 [#00271497]
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thanks
 
  
         
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           WeaklingChild
             from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-17 23:40 [#00271498]
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what about an akai mpc-4000.  all DJ Shadow used to make his new album was two of these  (linked together) and Pro-Tools Editing sofware.
 
 
 
  
         
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           Taoist Blockade
             from Wales on 2002-06-17 23:40 [#00271499]
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tell us what you already have (ie a synth isnt much good if  you have nothing to record to...) 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:41 [#00271501]
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well...
  i currently have an mc-303, a dr-770, and a dr-202
  however, im selling them all
  currenlty ive written everything on reason, just cause of  the flexability 
 
  
         
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           Taoist Blockade
             from Wales on 2002-06-17 23:47 [#00271518]
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get Kontakt the soft sampler (if you have  pretty good  computer) you can use real sounds as well as mangle the crap  out of anything. Its only worth it though if you have a midi  controller low latency sound card etc etc though. Maybe you  should upgrade your pc? 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:49 [#00271526]
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i have a MAC
  iMAC 500 megs
 
  
         
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           jimisteel
             from SLC (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:57 [#00271535]
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I would suggest you get a sampler first.  I prefer deicated  hardware over computers.
  Examples: Emu E6400 ultra, E4XT ultra, E5000 ultra, ESI  4000, ESI 2000. Akai S6000, S5000, S3000Xl, S2000, S1100,
  Akai MPC 60, MPC 3000, or MPC2000XL.  Ensoniq EPS 16,or  ASR10.  Roland sp303.  Then you would want to add a mixer,  then effects processors, compressors & limiters.  After that  a syth, or sound module with a controller keyboard
 
 
 
  
         
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           Mr_Flappypants
             from Louisville (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:57 [#00271539]
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.....................i know i sound stupid asking this but,  i have to learn some time
 
  whats a sampler?!
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-17 23:58 [#00271543]
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well... i am currently writting full tracks right now... im  just not content with the sound quality...
 
  so would a sampler be enough?
  and i like control.. so i dont want to sample loops... i  write all my melodies... i know i could use individual  sounds,... but dont those sound banks cost alot? 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-18 00:00 [#00271548]
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a sampler is a machine... that records things.
  you can then manipulate those sounds.
  its very powerful.
  i could "sample" different drum sounds, and then put them  together and write a whole drum part with them
 
  i could "sample" a sound like a bass guitar, and then i  modify the sound, so i can have it in various pitches, not  just the samed pitch, so i can write bass lines with it   etc
 
 
 
  
         
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           Taoist Blockade
             from Wales on 2002-06-18 00:02 [#00271553]
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in my view buying a hardware sampler today would be a huge  mistake. Hardware synths are still worth it but a hardware  sampler costs tons of money for what you get and you are  stuck editing on a tiny LCD display, its not like you are  getting a fatter sound as you might with a synth. 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-18 00:03 [#00271555]
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so... soft synth?
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-18 00:03 [#00271557]
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i meant soft sampler
 
  
         
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           Taoist Blockade
             from Wales on 2002-06-18 00:05 [#00271560]
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get a softsampler and a new computer. Get the best computer  you can afford. 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-18 00:06 [#00271563]
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oi... that could be hard...
  my parents just bought me this iMAC
  so like a MAC G4?
 
  
         
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           core
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 00:11 [#00271569]
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Zeus, I'd agree with Jimisteel. Get a sampler first (if you  already have a computer running a sequencer, of course). 
  With a sampler you will always be using unique sounds, and  you can pretty much create anything you want out of samples.  
  If you're going for a soft sampler, try Emagic's EXS-24 (it  runs as a plugin inside Logic Audio), and I believe there's  another new good soft sampler about to hit the market, but  i've forgotten it's name) 
 
  
         
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           Taoist Blockade
             from Wales on 2002-06-18 00:12 [#00271571]
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I used to have a Mac G4 733 and I was running songs in  Cubase that were eating %80 of my CPU in stop mode, I sold  it and got an Athlon XP2000 and those exact same tracks are  using %10 of my CPU juice. If you have $2000 US, I would  definitely say get a new PC and Reaktor. You can get a top  of the line PC for $500 US no problem and Reaktor costs $250  or something. Then get a good sound card with good ASIO  drivers and a USB controller keyboard. That whole lot will  cost like $1200 max, so if your budget is $2000-2500 thats  no problem. 
 
  
         
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           core
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-18 00:14 [#00271573]
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but be careful of athlon incompatibilty problems with  certain sound cards. 
  the athlons are definitely fast, but not 100% tested with  every sound-card. 
 
  
         
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           Taoist Blockade
             from Wales on 2002-06-18 00:15 [#00271574]
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thats true but if you do a little research you can have a  rock solid system. Im using a Delta 66 and it works  flawlessly. RME also make very good soundcards. 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-18 00:42 [#00271635]
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but i thought macs where the best for music
  i have cubasis right now
  if i got a sampler... where do i get sounds? i dont want to  have to buy sample cds and stuff.
 
  im not talking about loops. i mean like, real sounds. like a  string, that i could write a string part for, or a bass, or  flute etc.
 
  but i also want to make my own sounds
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           Taoist Blockade
             from Wales on 2002-06-18 02:15 [#00271789]
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Macs used to be the best for music but this is no longer the  case. PCs are just as stable and you get much more bang for  your money. 
 
  
         
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           skodt
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-18 03:02 [#00271829]
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is this true? why do big time producers and movie scorers, etc all by  G4's?
  i don't think that PCs are anywhere near as close in quality  as mac's. 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-18 03:11 [#00271839]
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yeah, i go to a music school, and all the computors in the  synth department use MACs
 
  although, for gigasampler, they use pcs, but still use the  MACs as the main sequencer etc. then the PC is just for  sampled sounds... or something...
 
 
 
  
         
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