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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-25 01:54 [#02615958]
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i am seeing some articles -- and they could be wrong --
indicating the US is in the process of requiring everyone to
enroll in some private company thing called

the process involves installing an app on your phone and
taking a "video selfie" that uses a facial-recognition
biometrics profile, and submit your birth certificate, etc.
and possibly be subjected to a live interview.

on the one hand, i get it. trump's checks got massively
abused; scammers calling it "easy money." place i moved into
had been empty for a few months and i move in and i'm
getting stimulus chex for some chinese person and, fuck,
someone was using the empty place as a dead drop. thankfully
they seemed to have ran away screaming once the place was no
longer empty

...but, in any case, i get why they want solid verification.
the level of hassle almost makes sense. however, this is a
private company -- that i have never heard of before now --
that will now have all my root certificates, essentially.
birth certificate, SSN, biometric data. and excuse fucking
me, but what if those dipshits get hacked, like fucking
everything else has over the last few years?

then you get into: how the fuck do people in rural areas
without internet or smartfones pay their taxes? because
they're acting like this will eventually be a requirement to
pay your taxes


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-25 02:00 [#02615959]
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starting to feel like having multiple smartfones will become
a fact of life. too much shit wanting app permissions;
location data


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-25 02:06 [#02615960]
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i half wonder if it's just online submissions. that you can
dodge the whole pile of crap by sending it registered mail
the old-skool way


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-25 02:06 [#02615961]
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as if taxes aren't enough of a p. i. teh assss already


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-25 02:19 [#02615962]
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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-25 04:08 [#02615966]
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just stewing on it all.

"money's not real, we made it up" sure, ok. but what money
represents in practical reality is human time and effort --
and that we made it up does not change this.

the US has increasingly moved away from ground conflicts,
even proxy wars, in favor of being an economic 800lb

i didn't stress it too hard until now. but this is really
starting to nosedive into "the government runs your bank


offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-01-25 12:08 [#02615976]
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there is no security online and there wont ever be

get your id the old fashioned way. go to the IRS or another
federal building in person, look into somebodys face, they
look into yours, check your paper. case closed.

it´s not that big of a deal, where you live or how far your
next IRS or fed building is doenst matter either. you´ll
only do this about once in your life or per immigration.


offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-01-25 12:10 [#02615977]
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but go ahead, government, get all the biometric data you
want to prevent all this terror that threatens us every
single moment of our lives..


offline Tony Danza from hollywood on 2022-01-25 12:31 [#02615978]
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"money's not real, we made it up" sure, ok. but what
money represents in practical reality is human time and
effort -- and that we made it up does not change this.


lol ur so close to getting it

a fun exercise: how long would it take you, at your current
salary, to make a billion dollars? A hundred billion?


offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-01-25 14:26 [#02615979]
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555555,5 years from now i had a billion if i save 150€ per
69444,4 years if i had absolutley no expenses

the thing is money is not made up, its exaggerated


offline Tony Danza from hollywood on 2022-01-25 15:10 [#02615980]
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it's neither made up not exaggerated, it's amplified by
harvesting the value of surplus labour.

a commodity tends to fall to its cost of reproduction

labour power is a commodity

its cost of reproduction is the cost of keeping workers
alive, and sometimes even allowing them to reproduce new
lil' labourers

after you've worked a few hours you've created the value you
need to sustain your life (if you're lucky - lately, not so
much even!).

but can you then go home? of course not, you have to work
for the rest of your 8 hour shift plus unpaid overtime plus
whatever time answering email at night and working remotely
on weekends because that's when you're creating profit for
the owners. that's the surplus value they appropriate from


online belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2022-01-25 15:28 [#02615981]
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what's that quote, something like "the invention of money is
the greatest evil man hast ever wrought upon itself", i want
to say plato but it could be another one of the wise olds


offline Tony Danza from hollywood on 2022-01-25 15:50 [#02615982]
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OK but that's what Engels called a metaphysical way of
thinking, where money has certain immutable qualities like
being evil. It's a thing in itself irrespective of context.

Versus on the other hand a dialectical way of thinking,
where instead of essences you see forces, often
contradictory, and stages of history and development, which
are necessary - you can't get from A to C without passing
through B.

Money makes sense at a certain stage of development, where
there's scarcity and it can represent abstract labour so you
can easily value and trade vastly different products and

And money is necessary for the capitalist stage of human
development, which as Marx and Engels pointed out in the
Manifesto has produced works greater than the pyramids.

Where money starts to fail is in late capitalism, where we
have the practical ability to produce enough for everyone, a
world of abundance, but it's held back because instead of
serving human need we serve effective demand - the
ability to pay. So we have crisis after crisis, goods aren't
produced, and even in good times, products are destroyed
rather than consumed, because you can't have free things
undercutting the price of the things that can still be

And as capital accumulates in the hands of a few it
impoverishes the many, destroying the effective demand that
it needs to continue growing.

We're outgrowing the necessary evil of money.


online belb from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2022-01-25 16:18 [#02615983]
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a dialectical way of thinking, where instead of essences
you see forces, often contradictory, and stages of history
and development, which are necessary - you can't get from A
to C without passing through B.

as a way of codifying, tabulating and increasing misery for
the many, money'd take some beating. fo sho on the stages
of history, shit is bound to be messy, this is all
humanity's potentially-lethal growing pains. i don't think
*anything* is inherently "evil" tho, we are the creators of
meaning, including the idea of a meaning at all


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-25 20:44 [#02615986]
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tony fleetmouse, you've been right about some shit. however,
then you keep going, and perhaps you're still right, but
then you become utterly useless -- rapidly. i'd prefer to be
a bit wrong and work with the current reality rather than
tirelessly argue for shit that is never going to happen

and i cannot see a future where humans can part with the
concept of currency. even in star trek, the shiny future
where mankind has settled its shit, people place wagers, bet
each other a replicator ration. i think it goes deeper than
extracting value from less-fortunate humans... i think
people also need money for motivation, for a sense of
accomplishment. single moms working three jobs is utter
crap, totally... but at the opposite end of the spectrum, i
feel like there are plenty of people who would just watch TV
all day if they weren't obligated to fix toilets. and
someone will always have to fix the toilets, even on the
starship enterprise.


offline Tony Danza from hollywood on 2022-01-25 22:44 [#02615987]
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We already have abundance or potential abundance if only our
economy were centered on human need rather than profit. Even
in the 1930s Steinbeck was writing about men pouring kerosene on
produce that couldn't be sold for a profit.

Same thing happens with Amazon stock, perfectly good
products destroyed because it's cheaper to shred entire
laptops rather than pay Bezos to keep them on the shelves or
have them shipped back.

We don't need star trek replicators. And clean your own
goddamn toilet!


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-26 04:41 [#02616015]
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just because it was a sassy, hilarious analogy does not give
you license to flush it so dismissively -- there will always
be jobs no one wants to do, like pumping septic systems and
mucking porta-potties (the design of which has remained
essentially unchanged since the 60s, by the way [they
switched to blue water merely because it hides what lurks

maybe with another fifty years of technology, robots can fix
our toilets, and maybe then we can ditch currency. until
then, there will be that, along with a number of other
rather dreadful jobs that no one would do for anything
except currency


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-26 04:49 [#02616016]
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maybe this will give you some hope, tony canada ~

i am listening to the npr and they're talking about the
state of the economy of giant monolith movies and one of the
commentators says, "i spoke with one guy, and he had no idea
there was another version of west side story out, and it's
directed by steven spielberg! that's a household name!"

i thot: i had no idea either

then they get into: you just can't reach a mass audience
like that anymore without tens of millions; you need ads
during all the sports games and billboards and... otherwise,
it doesn't break through.

i thot: fair enough. i heard of that spiderman bullshit
despite despising the whole marvel universe. i also thot the
origin west side story was funny, and not in a laughing with
them way. snap. snap. absolutely no desire to see a remake
of something i thought was goofball crap in the first place

in the same way there used to be so many different hosting
companies that an amazon outage won't take out the entire
east coast's business day, maybe now, people may now be so
effectively bubbled off by social media that it is now
economically un-viable to attempt buying millions in profits
via seeding it with a siphon of marketing.

and maybe that will give you hope. perhaps you'll even
furrow your brow less


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-26 05:28 [#02616017]
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oh, huh! while i'm on the subject of the poop deck of the
starship enterprise...

according to legend, a placard is mounted on the door of the
ladies' restroom on the enterprise, text reading: where
no man has gone before


offline Tony Danza from hollywood on 2022-01-26 13:47 [#02616036]
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Look at you working it out for yourself! Cool!

What we have to deal with here is a communist society,
not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the
contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which
is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and
intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old
society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the
individual producer receives back from society – after the
deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it.
What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor.
For example, the social working day consists of the sum of
the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of
the individual producer is the part of the social working
day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a
certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such
an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common
funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social
stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of
labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to
society in one form, he receives back in another.


In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving
subordination of the individual to the division of labor,
and therewith also the antithesis between mental and
physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not
only a means of life but life's prime want; after the
productive forces have also increased with the all-around
development of the individual, and all the springs of
co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can
the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its
entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each
according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

- Marx, Critique of the Gotha Program


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2022-01-29 23:15 [#02616136]
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i saw THIS_RTICL the other day and it made me think my
rambling here ~

they totally miss it in the article, but this same effect is
part of the process -- people are filter bubbled off in
their personalized search results and balkanized internet
communities; the US has even developed a thing where iPhone
users complain about Android users ruining group message

so, exactly same as movies, it becomes impossibly expensive
to mass-promote anything n'sync-level because there's no
longer a few cable channels you can rely on to always reach
everyone. so they have to get some sports ads too. advertise
on google, facebook. experiment with "organic" marketing, as
if any if it is anything but artifical

the end result is, like all the movie reboots, everyone is
in a bidding war for bob dylan's masters, as they do not
require any marketing.

the NPR described the massive studios attempting to
compensate by pouring more $$$$ into marketing as "like
trying to fill a well by throwing in pebbles"

i never expected an upside from filter bubbles, really.

probably has something to do with why stuff will blow up on
soundcloud for a year before up the nose of the charts with
a hype williams video guest appearance on SNL -- like, ok,
it's safe now, we get a good price on the beef when we feed
it through the abattoir

sort of like how biodiversity prevents a pathogen from
infecting everything at once.


offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2022-01-30 08:00 [#02616142]
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our local cinema closed. there always was a mainstream
cinema in the city center. it was our small city center´s
mini mall that connected the inner city shopping to the main
station. it was a good one, nice projectors, 8 halls and i
saw a ton of movies there with friends, family and my woman.
i did went to the movies less and less, partly due to the
pricing but mainly because i wasnt interested in most of the
movies. there was no martial arts for decades, i have
outgrown mainstream comedies, missed a couple of sci-fi
flicks because ads didnt reach me (on topic) and im
incapable of watching disney in german dubbing for the songs
(you have no idea).
i still went though, for star wars, mad max or predators and
i went to a couple of special nights like grease etc. so im
quite sad its gone and wont re-open ever. it is going to be
a medical center like half of the city is by now, while the
other half is empty or 1€-shops.

i guess one of the last bastions of movie advertising is
maybe half of the workplaces i know and many commuters have
it running at all times in their car. just a fraction of
those recipants spread the news over a new dune etc here or
with their contacts. so that still works.
regular movie goers look at the local programme, especially
those with kids. but indeed a huge part of the market is
lost due to the inability to be reached.


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