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was/is/will always be better than TOLSTOY! |
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Not if you like a good story uncluttered by heavy introspection and general tripped out wierdness. May I remind you that tolstoy wrote "A Confession", perhaps one of the most honest accounts of aging and the eternal battle with life great questions ever! |
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better in what way?? :) |
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agreed. what did tolstoy even do... war and peace? |
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Anna Karenina, A Confession, War and Peace, The Gospel in Brief, The Death of Ilan Ilych... |
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he whips tolstoy's ass !!1 best russian novelist EVER ! the russian dickens!! have you not read 'the house of the dead' or 'the idiot' ????? I just bought 'Poor Folk and other Stories' which I am looking forward to reading !"!! |
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Hey, I never said Dostoyevsky was shit... he simply wasn't as grand and epic as tolstoy. He didn't shine throughout his life as the symbol of the Russian people like Tolstoy. He didn't commit himself to social reform as much as tolstoy and his style owes much to Gogol. |
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only thing dostoyevsky beats tolstoy is in keeping it short and to the point :) |
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who was it who spent years in a Siberian penal colony doing hard labour because of being linked to a revolutionary group? And you're telling me that Tolstoy's boring works are more grand and philosophical and gritty than Dostoyevsky? You, sir, are insane! |
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i guess he was busy doing that hard labour... |
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Did I ever say one was better than the other? Really, you can't compare... two radically different minds... but in my opinion on a par with eachother when it comes to pure intellectual skills. Tolstoy was one hell of a storyteller and a fabulous spirit! He may not have suffered as much as Dost but he was a troubled soul, fighting against the inherited demons of a false orthodox religion, against the terrible superstitions of an oppressed people. Maybe you should get into Tolstoy's later peiod. After the storytelling... |
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. . . maybe you should READ some Dostoyevsky - you went on how much of a thinker Tolstoy was, better than Dostoyevsky, whereas if you had read 'crime and punishment' 'the gambler' 'the idiot' 'the house of the dead' 'notes from underground' 'the brothers karamazov' you would realise you were actually describing Dostoyevsky, the greatest Russian novelist EVER ! |
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we should do a poll about this... |
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you read more tolstoy, i read more dost, speak again in a couple of months, deal? |
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i was going to suggest the same thing myself. i'll get back to you then, then! :D shall we now retire to the education thread? |
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dont think couple of months will be enough to get into either of them hehe, except if you read really fast |
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I casually read over 300 pages per day - I'll save 'war and fucking peace' for last, since it's very boring. |
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uhh, 300 per day is plenty...is there anything else that you do beside hanging on xltronic and reading? :) |
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lol |
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theyre both superb and thats all there is to it. im reading the double by dostoevsky now actually. im reading ressurection next by tolstoy. russians are the best authors(bulgakov, gogol, turgenev, pushkin, tolstoy, dostoevsky, solzhenitsyn, yevtushenko, chekhov, zamyatin etc) |
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agreed? |
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it's amazing to see great Russian authors mentioned here on the board :) |
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. . . don't forget my shaolin kung fu! :P I just bought me a punch-bag yesterday, so I'm looking forward to imagining that it's Jarworski there instead of the punch-bag! ;) |
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agreed! i live quite close to Turgenev's russian datcha in Bougival (west of paris) actually... nice place! |
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I only started this thread in the first place as a joke response to a post by MistahKurtz in another thread ;) |
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if you want to look all clever when having a discussion, mention this 'dostkayefski' guy they say! |
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it really does work, honest. |
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no no, you have to mention chomsky or foulcault... |
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Dosotoyevsky strikes the right balance between intellectualism and identification with the hoi-polloi ! |
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i like tolstoy better. more lucid |
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don't besmirch my thread with mentioning 'Tolstoy' !!! |
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I vote for Dostojevskij |
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you started it yourself, you besmircher you! tolstoy |
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Fitting my kickbag up in the garage is my next project (once my network is sorted!) it has been sadly neglected the past year and I need to get back into training for kung fu which I'll resume in October. Don't forget that other great Russian writer- Vladimir Nabokov. Just because his books aren't inaccessibly long, doesn't mean they're not obscenely complex... |
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yes, I like Nabokov... in fact, I just recently bought a book by him, 'penin' I think it's called. |
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yes, see: that's it. war and peace maybe a bit long but it's very accesible, because it's 'lucid'. contrary to the thick stuff dostojevsky writes, which lasts pretty long too |
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i'll be doing nabokov, yes, didnt know he was russian, thought polish, silly me! |
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dostoyevsky isn't hard to read. It flows and it is intensely interesting and thought-provoking. |
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i for instance liked, among much, the part in war and peace when pierre finds himself suddenly wanting this chick he grew up with when looking down on her breasts and smelling her and he knows that he cant escape the future: he'll kiss her, marry have kids and there's nothing he can do about it. there's pages (a wopping 2) that i've manually copied and sent to friends! i didnt get in the flow of dostojewski: guilt and punishment was a torture to read for me. i only liked the part where this woman snaps and goes on the street with her kids and starts to be a street clown artists. well and some other stuff |
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Ah, Pnin. That's actually on my shelf in front of me at the moment... awaiting reading. I'll start it after finishing Steven King "Dreamcatcher". |
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wow, that REALLY sounds like a fascinating two pages |
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no it's others then i described i'll post them in whole so it wont get screwed up though my in-depth analysis. anywho: when you had read that part you would have gone: yes that was some great part big points out there |
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I doubt it very much. Have you read any other Dostoyevsky apart from CRIME AND PUNISHMENT? because most of the people who are decrying dostoyevsky seem to have evidently not read much of his work, else they wouldn't even consider typing some of the things they did |
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yes, the idiot too: i liked that even less. not entirely uninteresting, just hard to read. stuff like that makes me wonder why the novell is THE important genre and not essays or the like. he has interesting ideas but the story doesnt do really much for me.. |
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Ok boyo, i hope you have made progress, notes from the underground is already done and down... More to come... |
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i just got the man from the ussr + three plays by nabokov for $2. i have ada as wlel but havent read either. i plan on getting lolita and reading that first. |
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OK I've bought 'Resurrection' (Tolstoy) recently, and started reading it a couple of days ago -- engrossing, very very engrossing! I am really thoroughly enjoying it! |
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dostoevsky is god kafka was influenced by him a lot |
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kafka is awesome too. i have the trial and the complete stories(all longer stories, short stories and parables). all im missing is the castle and amerika now. by the way, anyone read A Raw Youth by Dostoevsky? it was just newly translated now titled The Adolescent...wondering if anyones read the original\the new translation. |
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dostoevsky? is he on warp? but seriously: literature doesn't get (much) better than 'notes from the underground' |
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