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also i'm aware of the dynamic that people love to cancel minorities, including a affluent, popular, white, trans woman |
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do you believe in gay marxist ghosts? show me your dna containing communism. can atoms identify as trans? what have you reduced your spiritual identity to? will you think about the proletariat when you're dead? what percentage of the universe's energy is trotsky? don't we die and turn into stars? does more gravitational pull equal more privilege? are black holes privileged with all that gravity? or oppressed because they're black? that's weird: after i die, i'll never remember the books i read. do we die? only the aborted fetus truly knows. aborted fetuses are part of my religion and don't deny they aren't part of yours too. why abort when you can convert: send them to our educational institutions. listen to the white lady dole out secular sermons in classrooms and take these words to such heart they will seek out to become this very white woman. put on the dress, ingest the hormones, become the embodiment of this woman and her virtue. broadcast it on youtube. conversion complete. "i have become my surrogate mother". and those who do not, become teacher's favorite pet: her most favorite of flying ideological monkeys, eager to do their establishment mother's bidding. oh man i'm sidetracked...do you ever think about what religion for a slave-class would look like if they think they're too good for religion whilst being too dumb to realize they belong to an empty, hollowed-out version of one? i thought cognitive dissonance/gaslighting/brainwashing was watching people protest, riot, loot on behalf of the "left wing" for over a century whilst simultaneously fearing some sort of "right wing" around the corner. right wing mostly seems to bomb government...the left should love the right wing's stance in that case. difference between modern "left" and "right": left loves gays, right virtue signals they love gays more. left loves blacks, right says they love blacks more and it's the left who are racists. america: a land where communists try to out-virtue signal other communists and it's not good en |
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reading about Marx' materialist dialectics now and the first part seems congruent with that |
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"Jewish settlers stole my house. It’s not my fault they’re Jewish.": by Mohammed El-Kurd from september 26, 2023 an introduction by : This is an important essay by Mohammed El-Kurd, Palestinian poet, writer, journalist, and organiser. He inveighs with passion and anger against the realities of Palestinian oppression and the use of accusations of antisemitism to silence Palestinian voices. The conflation of Jews with Israelis is overt in Israel-Palestine. It’s a proudly Jewish state with a proudly Jewish army and a proudly Jewish flag. The oppressors of the Palestinians are Jews. It is an open secret, affirms El-Kurd, but what matters is not what they do to you, but how you speak about them. Make sure to “distinguish Jews from Zionists with surgical precision”. El-Kurd has had enough of it: on the ground it is a meaningless distinction. A hint of a trope is inherent in any honest description of the situation and a trope trumps the reality of home demolitions, expulsions or pogroms: “There is a Jew who lives–by force—in half of my home in Jerusalem, and he does so by “divine decree”. Many others reside—by force—in Palestinian houses, while their owners linger in refugee camps. It isn’t my fault that they are Jewish…” And again: “There’s no escaping being accused of antisemitism. It’s a losing battle and, more importantly, a glaring red herring… There are better things to do: we have coffins to carry…” Make sure you read this! |
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searching for this essay, i found someone wrote a version, earlier |
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i think people living comfortably in the west appropriating the feelings of a victim of israeli apartheid to justify their own careless antisemitism is gross as fuck. |
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BadEmpanada isn't being antisemitic, was my point. carelessness can lead to reproduction of tropes, i guess, but intend matters. the intend is to stop a genocide; a holocaust |
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and i have to wonder what *your* intent is. if it's not partly to stifle conversation on said genocide |
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anyway, my main motivation to post this was for Tony, because he dislikes contrapoints for being a lib. also he dislikes BadEmpanada, because he's critical of Maduro (making him a lib too, i guess, which is lol), so it was a nice bonus that the video was by him. |
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respectfully, fuck off. conflating concern about antisemitism with tacit support for israel is typical antisemitism. what you're doing is no better than people calling any criticism of israel antisemitic,. you're more concerned about accusations of antisemitism harming the cause than actual antisemitism within the movement. it's not helping anybody. it is your responsibility as a western ally to the palestinian cause to draw a clear line. calling like BadEmpanada for the destruction of israel and the displacement of its people, from the comfort of your own home, smearing as a zionist everyone who disagrees with you one iota, is pure unadulterated antisemitism, and you're not helping anybody by aligning yourself with this shit. (also what the fuck is up with that reddit thread, did you post it in jest?) |
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i feel you're gaslighting and trying to scare me into silence. you haven't even explained why the badempanada video is antisemitic (i'm not sure i want you to, to be sure). i've actually been careful about throwing around the word zionism, since your earlier accusation, and yet here you are calling me someone that uses it as a smear yes, israel should be destroyed. no, i don't think its people should be displaced. zionists think 'from the river to the sea, palestine should be free' means that (or worse: calling for a genocide) because that's *their* mindset ('zionists' really sums up the people i'm talking about here best. it includes its Westers (gentile) allies.) > you're more concerned about accusations of antisemitism harming the cause than actual antisemitism within the movement. i'm concerned, here, by false accusations of antisemitism. when i think further about it, i'm saddened by how this discussion is a distraction from actually discussing the genocide going on. but maybe it's something we have to go through. > (also what the fuck is up with that reddit thread, did you post it in jest?) not really. i did think it was funny how i found this, googling the article, and how much it's alike the article. while also being very reddit-y. but my main point was to show the antisemitism accusation has been going on since forever. how much people have internalized it. it's part of why the West does nothing against the ongoing genocide! |
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good action |
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good action for Palestine and its people |
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... okay, just two remarks and two questions: a) > no, i don't think its people should be displaced. BadEmpanada does b) i'm saddened by how this discussion is a distraction from actually discussing the genocide going on Everyone here is aware of the genocide that's going on in Palestine. There's not much we can accomplish by discussing it on an electronic music message board. Antisemitic rhetoric, however, is not something you seem particularly aware of, or willing to care about. c) 1) Is Counterpoints a zionist? 2) Are you saying that you believe the reddit post titled "I can't stand Jewish people, and I'm sorry" is not antisemitic? |
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Oh sorry third remark: > it's part of why the West does nothing against the ongoing genocide! This is really insidious. No it's not! It's part of the rhetoric, sure, but the support for Israel's massacres has nothing to do with not wanting to be antisemitic. That's an insane thing to say. The reasons are racism against arabs and muslims, instrumentalisation of the tensions between jewish and arab communities to harm antiracist solidarity and further white supremacist goals, and support for Israel as a military foothold in the middle east. Not one of them gives a fuck about jews, not one of them gives a shit when Bibi puts holocaust denial in the service of killing palestinians, as he's done si often. |
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i guess it's something like that BadEmpanada wants colonizers gone > Everyone here is aware of the genocide that's going on in Palestine. There's not much we can accomplish by discussing it on an electronic music message board. this is exactly why people, and at least i, are mad about Contrapoints' screed. it reads as: 'just give up'. and we're not solving the conflict here, but want to change the way people think about stuff. we both do > Antisemitic rhetoric, however, is not something you seem particularly aware of, or willing to care about. just: boo, lame 1) the whole West is zionist. everyone in it is, until they work hard in confronting these ideas within themselves (that are tied to internalized colonial and racist ideas). contrapoints is even so by first not using her platform and then coming out with a bad statement. when i first read the statement i thought it was mostly just lame: not taking responsibility, complaining about twitter leftists. the BadEmpanada video showed me it's more problematic than that. 2) the post is about how she does not want to have these feelings |
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why do you think Germany is one of the worst in cracking down on protests? probably followed by England and the US, whom have some other history of being guilty. i'm talking on personal levels, which informs political actions, the i'm not denying all those other reasons, though |
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> the whole West is zionist. everyone in it is, until they work hard in confronting these ideas within themselves yeah sorry i'm sure it sounds nice and radical but that's completely insane. especially in a time when we've got ultrarich nutters like elon musk spewing elders of zion shit everywhere and literal neo-nazis denouncing the ZOG in the european parliament. |
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i'll just do a blanket statement saying: yes fascism is on the rise, as are antisemetic tropes. everyone, including me, should be careful not to aid in them. but also i feel i'm right in saying one shouldn't be petrified by this in speaking up against israel. |
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who's petrified? |
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i've spend months figuring out how to argue around saying 'zionism' |
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that demonstrably did not prevent you from speaking up against israel. |
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does badempanda have an idea where the isreali ppl should be sent to? maybe give them one of the south states of america? |
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- BadEmpanada i'll admit i don't know what to make of this exactly. seems like he's actually saying it shouldn't just be available to the wealthy |
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I say we give them France, every inch of it. And if the cunting French want to be antisemitic about it, they'll get what's coming to them. |
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