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nerds for collecting? nerds for posting it here? nerds for what? wanna fight? |
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For even thinking about it I guess... I want to fight, why not? |
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people collect stamps, rocks, dolls, bottles... why not discs? for a collector every release is a must have I guess... anyway what is nerd of thinking of how much afx releases one has?... I disagree with you here |
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go back to where you have been for the last months!!! lol ;D |
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go nacmat! give him hell! :D |
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Fuckit. It's the music that counts, not the media. Even with that, not every RDJ-related release is a masterpiece. Worship scares me. |
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ok... it is true that not every aphex release is a masterpiece... but if someone loves his music.. he can easily become a collector... so whats wrong with that ... anyway, not everybody has to think the same way so I understand you just have another opinion |
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Ah, yes, I undestand that people have different opinions too, it's just that I disagree. I mean, I'd rather just hunt for good music instead hunt for mediocre hard to find RDJ stuff. |
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... but you have to buy the media to get the music... |
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Haha, always the prankster.... Do you? Do you really? I haven't bought A RDJ release in my life. |
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selected ambiet works 85-92 selected ambient works volume II the richard d james album girl/boy ep 2 remixes by AFX analogue bubblebath IV classics donkey rhubarb on ventolin come to daddy mini album come to daddy single drukqs surfing on sine waves caustic compilation |
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Naughty man |
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Quite an odd attitude for a guy that love the music, isn't it? |
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Hmm, no? I love music, not the industry that lives off it. What's odd about it? |
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thats pityful man. c'mon, wheres the support? im glad to buy rdj's stuff cuz i wanna some how repay him for his music im getting to hear. |
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the industry??? you're not buying a warp records cd. you're buying an aphex twin cd. are you one of those 'damn the man' people or are you just a cheapo? |
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Er, I have been through this kind of discussion about a million times here. I don't really want to repay RDJ for anything, thank you very much. Even if I wanted, I'd love to do it straight to him, without having to feed a bunch of parasitic subsystems of the entertainment industry along the way. The case we have in point now: the internet and other cheap and direct ways of manufacturing and distibuting music allow artists and audiences to sidestep the industry that takes advantage of them. But that's not even an issue. I mean, that's just a political rationalisation The real reason is I have limited amounts of money at my disposal and too much music to get. I'm more interested in getting more usic then in "supporting" an artist by buying his record. I am an artist too (although not a high profile one) and I really don't expect to earn a living by forcing people to buy my releases. And anyway, most artists live from gigs, not from selling records. |
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A little bit of both as you can see. |
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yeah, i see. it's understandable, but the music industry is a business like any other. do you buy food? clothes? coca-cola? abything you buy is supporting an group of people who care nothing about you. so, it's not just the entertainment industry, it's the world. but i guess you gotta start fightin it somewhere... |
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Meho is wrong Meho is wrong !! |
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well, you asked a question and answered it yourself. Withou food I'd be dead (a tempting prospect these days). Without the first pressing of analogue bubblebath I am perfectly well. As for clothes, i buy only domestic brands, as cheap and low on hype as possible. No, I don't drink coca-cola at all. Damn, do I sound like a hippie or what? |
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yeah you sound like a pissed off hippy. why so mad? |
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I buy records but I dont think I am a better person for that I think people can do what they want, I wont judge anybody for downloading music, I think its normal due to the fucking high prices of music releases... meho has a point about the industry |
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I am not only wrong, I am also gay. But as I said, my main idea here is that I don't care about the object itself. i don't need to possess a record, physically. As long as I can listen to the music. |
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Mad? Do I sound mad? Sorry, that was not my itention. I just tried to give a reasonable answer. And it's not like I don't buy records at all. Just that I don't necessarilly buy records if there are other options available. |
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I got Windowlicker, Donkey Rhubarb, Come To Daddy, and some stuff on old compilation vinyl. And some CDs, but they aren't so sexy as vinyl. My friend has the curve remix on white label. |
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i don't need to possess a record, physically. As long as I can listen to the music. +++++++++++++++++++++++ thats my problem, I need to posses it... I dont know why but: I agree with meho about the reasons he gives for downloading, but as I respect his option I would like him to respect people who like possesing the records they are just two different options, non of them are nerd or anything... |
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i understand what you mean. i, in a way, agree. |
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Aye. But how about those that collect every form of media even if it has the same tracks? }:> Some may cream their duds over buying their 5th copy of windowlicker but what about the fresh shit thats getting put out? You are providing from the releases you have Pho by kindly scanning them into a resource for us but some just horde them. My point? ...I didn't think that far ahead. :> |
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and im on the right side of gayness |
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those people are named 'collectors' - yeah. but i was refering to meho's previous post. |
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One year ago I only downloaded mp3... but now it's totally different. I need to own the originals, 'cos now i'm not able to appreciate an album if it's burned or mp3. I'm buying all originals and i give as presents all my copies to friends. (obviously i buy only the disc who are the bests for my tastes [apart AFX and Ae who i'm trying to buy everything I find]) btw: in this period i'm using soulseek especially for discover new artists and music. Last sunday I bought "Hard Normal Daddy" by Squarepusher and "Voile" by Jello/Bola. Originals... ... ... mhmmm... i love you. |
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Well, Nac, if you have to possess a record, then you are proving my point. Instead of payxing attention to the supposedly most important part: the music and whatever spiritual significance it may have for you, you focus on the object that is in itself an industrial product. Now, i'm not denying that the object also has some spiritual values to some people, just that it's a rather artificial value, produced by the marketing wing of the industry. OK? So, I used the word Nerds, rather than calling you people corporate slaves, hehe. Spikee has a point. But I was just being mildly mean, I didn't even want to cause all this discussion. What you do is your own business, of course. |
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Collectors are usually buying 2nd-hand records which does not give the labels any profit. So, why use the word 'commercial slaves'? Even the word 'nerd' is better... ;-) |
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Well, whereas I don't necessarilly go with Woofer's "mmm, I love originals" passion, he also has a point: Using slsk or any other mp3 sharing online service to hear the music before you decide to buy it is a great improvement over the situation we had years ago where you only were able to hear the music in specially designed situations (shops, singles on radio, videos) and often succumbed to the media hype. Now we are able to hear it ourselves and decide whether to buy it. This is what the whole crackdown on p2p services is about: people buy less music because now if they like new Christina Aguillera's single, they just download the song instead of buying a whole album that they won't listen to anyway. |
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Anyway here below my list: .On ep .On remixes ep .Ventolin ep .Ventolin remixes ep .Donkey Rhubarb ep .Girl Boy ep .Come to Daddy ep .Windowlicker ep .2 remixes by afx .drukqs promo (2 tracks) .Exper Knob Twiddlers .abb .abbIII .abbIV .Classics .Saw 85-92 .Saw II .Surfing on sine waves (2001 edition) .Caustic Window compilation .I care because you do .Richard D. James album .Drukqs That's all i think... |
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I wasn't talking about collectors at all, Phob. It's spikee who mentioned collectors. And that "corporate slaves" reference was obviously a joke, no? I will repeat once more: I am primarily interested in music, not in the media, not in supporting the artist or the industry. Call me a selfish basterd if you like. |
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Bubblebath is one word as it is the name of a liquid. ABB = AB I'm nit picking now so I'm going to ban myself from this topic using nothing more then a rubber band and a paper clip. |
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C0llecting is a very human thing! I collect Three Investigator books and Star Wars Lego myself! I want the complete 3Is in every edition! |
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you're so narrow minded. buying a record isn't becoming a corporate slave. it's showing your support for the artist. showing that you'd pay money to have their release. im proud to be able to walk into a room and see two aphex records layin in my floor. they cost less they 10 dollars for both. you're to caught up in ur 'anti-system' attituse to realize it's possible to say, "who gives a fuck about who gets the money." it's a bond between the listener and the artist. you just can't appreciate music the same without owning it. you can say that's wrong, but how would you know?? |
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this topic is the more interesting of all mb at this moment... i like to listen different opinions. |
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Here below all the power of phob's massive collection ;) |
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*looses an eye* I have nothing wrong with collectors at all. I collect Rephlex stuff because I like it. I won't ensure I have everything down to the white label promo tho. Sometimes I get the vinyl and CD but where do you stop? the DAT tape? The artists hard drive? Pictures of him or her on the toilet? |
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I like owning original legitimate copies, that's why I buy everything |
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im not trying to say that you're wrong. im just trying to get you to understand that buying music has a sorta symbolism in it. but people see symbolism differently and some people don't see it at all. |
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Hey, Neo, why the bitter personal tone? Did I attack you personally (except for that broad "Nerds" reference)? I have my opinion and you have yours. They differ greatly because you think you're supporting a n artist by buying a record and I think you're supporting the industry. Well, alright, i don't expect to convert you anytime soon. Saying things like "im proud to be able to walk into a room and see two aphex records layin in my floor" just gives me some belly laughs. I personally think this is funny and immature in a way, but hell, if that makes you happy, who am i to complain. But that "you just can't appreciate music the same without owning it." attitude exactly proves my point. I may be caught in my anti-corporate attitude but you are obviously caught in the web of beliefs imposed on you by the capitalist system where only real value is measured in the amount of capital that got shifted. Well, fair enough I guess. |
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Meho: Actually this topic was about collecting AFX items and you suddenly entered it with 'nerds'. Quite natural to believe you were refering to AFX collectors. |
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I type slowly, damnit... Yeah, i am aware of the symbolism of buying a record. I stated that clearly enough in my reply to Nacmat's post, didn't I? And I also said that this symbolism, to me at least is of far a lesser order than the symbolism of music/ arts in general. A symbolism of a consumer society that I am a prt of too, even as i try to distance myself from it. |
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i ended my arguement a while ago but then you started up again with ur 'fuck the system' crap. i have know problem with the way you believe but you seem to have a problem with mine if it makes you get belly laughs. |
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Phob: Well, yeah, i hoped to get some funny posts saying "You're gay" and stuff. You know, like, go against the grain, disturb the balance etc. You know I always do that. But it seems it turned into a Meho VS. Xltronic free for all. |
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