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"This is not a happy day in electronica...." LOL :)!!! This is the quote of the day, LOL why is it "a sad day in electronica".....hehe ;) Ok here we go.... A "sell out" is someone who totally changes their style to (a more obvious commercial, crossover style) sell more records. |
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afx pinched Blue Calx, no ones complaining about that.... |
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so what we saying,no-ones original |
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Hush Archrival! your blatherings aren't going to make me change my mind. dj shadow could have done BETTER than that. i think its stupid. but yes...to answer someone else's question i did like the song before i heard it was on a fluke song. dj shadow is very talented...but he could have done better than used such as this. i mean come on. |
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i think shadow just likes to cover his tracks - doesn't mean that the people don't get paid maybe - also when he samples stuff it often gets rediscovred ior relicenced - see david azelrod who i mentioned earlier - he did his first stuff to critical acclaim for 20 years cos shadow gave him props ands sampled him |
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err no he didn't - the issue of sampling is a difficult one try this for size http://www.plunderphonics.com/ john oswald is a guy who does pluderphonics - it's a fucked up creative way of sampling that comments on it's own process and the culture of copyright ... he's been in trouble with the law alot |
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hmm...that's the problem with sample heavy Dj's..I usually steer clear for mostly the same reason it's hearing a sonic junkyard..with all these recognizable bits and pieces floating around |
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yeah but most things are recognisable in some ways - too alien and most people can't relate - most aphex tracks pretty reconisable and stright forward - i know there are exceptions bug most are melodic under 10 minutes and have rhythms usually 4 4 |
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hmm..yeah AFX uses some samples..but most of the music is written or composed by him...those samples are used as embellishments and are not the core structure of the song.. |
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oh i was talking about music in general - what i mean't is few people listen to music that is completley alein to them - lfor example not many 12 year old britney fans willl suddenly switch to bogdan raczynski ... everyone and thing has a frame of reference.. i think if someone samples something recognisable they are either doing it on perpose to refer it to something else or some style of music or cos they're lazy with bad taste..hip hop seems to be moving into using electronics now anyway ..def jux lex recods anticon etc seem to be leading the way |
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Could of done better than to copy Bjork? Shadow didn't copy off of Fluke, I mean look at what someone posted in Italics, Shadow made his own beat with the sampled Bjork lyrics. |
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"hip hop seems to be moving into using electronics now anyway ..def jux lex recods anticon etc seem to be leading the way" hmmm It would be funny to see EL-P with a keyboard....NO, El-P and the anti-con peeps doesnt use more electronics than producers from like 92-98 (RZA, Premier, Diamond D, Dr Dre etc), if u call a sampler new electronics??? I mean allmost all hip hop is based on samples (Timbaland, Neptunes, some RZA etc use a keyboard sometimes). EL-P even stated in a interview that what he does now is no different than the Bomb Squad who produced Public Enemy or Dr who produced NWA. He just use samples and fucks them up with some effects like Amon Tobin, Shadow and them... So AntiCon or the whole Defjux crew aint leading the way when it comes to production/using electronics (is it rhymes or style u talking about) Explain what u mean by "hip hop seems to be moving into using electronics now anyway"......are u talking about Timbaland, No Limit, Cash Money, Neptunes, Nelly, Ruff Ryders with those cheesy casio keyboards??? |
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In one word: APC. |
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Plus obviously the whole clickhop subgenre, not your ordinary "legit" hip-hop, of course, more a gesture than a culture, but still it's there (Prefuse 73, Machine Drum etc.) |
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Meho: Yeah know we talking buisness ;) Prefuse 73, Machine Drum, Four Tet, AE, APC, Nautilis |
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Alright. Recognising how much hip-hop influenced guys like Ae, BoC and other "IDM" types is important for all those people who think their IDM is so fucking smart and ellegant, while hip-hop is somehow raw, dirty and dumb. |
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well it's a pointless petty argument - and i 'd ratjhe not have it cos it bores me - but even if elp does use the same stuff as the bomb squad they were very electronic as wll using soundbites noise and microsamples..when for ages hip hop was dominated by premier and rza who are mostly organic sounding and hook baed .. remember i put an etcetera there maybe i should have written every hip hop band i could think about who is emphasising this sound but i don''t have the anal retentiveness sorry. mf doom and boom bip definitley use electronic and the sound of hip hop - from timabaland's incredible productions to elp's.. but who cares as much as you- i don't |
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astrid-gil-botn: I can still NOT see your point? Anticon aint that electronic sounding.. "mf doom and boom bip definitley use electronic and the sound of hip hop" yeah, like RZA and Premier didnt used electronics..Richard D James piano pieces hmmm pretty organic sounding. Que? Im just "fucking" with u , dont take everything so serious, let just have a nice little discussion, aiight ;) |
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"Alright. Recognising how much hip-hop influenced guys like Ae, BoC and other "IDM" types is important for all those people who think their IDM is so fucking smart and ellegant, while hip-hop is somehow raw, dirty and dumb." YEAH I FUCKING HATE THAT!!!!!!!!! like these fucking "retard, nerds" who claim that AE is the gods of this earth doesnt realize that they got "FOOD" from peeps like MANTRONIX and the Bomb Squad. Give props to the originators. |
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Yeah, Ae were breakdancing, bmx-ing hip-hop DJ's in their time. BTW, I too find this all pointless: "electronic" music includes synths AND samplers AND guitar amps. So using a keyboard synth instead of sampler does not make you more "electronic" |
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Meho: Hell YEAH!! so onpoint! "im more electronic now" ;) |
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BTW, I see a new Kurt's record on Soul Jazz records, Arch. |
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Oh shit! ill cop that mos def ;) |
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Always was. |
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When the fuck is he going to put his own album out? The one with Scott Heren aka Prefuse 73 in the producer's seat. |
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Sooner than u think..but what im really looking forward to is the new Squarepusher, that album will definitly be amazing! |
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Ohh I forgot! He is a sellout....this is a sad day in electonic music :(.... Nah sorry about that one..it was a bad joke LOL ;) |
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Yeah, I'm listening to Burning 'n tree right now. I hope his double album is as good as Go Plastic which restored my faith in pusher. |
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I don't think DJ Shadow can be described as a "sellout". He samples - so what? So do loads of other great artists (loads from Ninja Tune for example). If you like the music, then who cares? If you don't like it, don't buy or listen to it. |
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OH NOOO! Ninja Tune artists are... SAMPLING? God, I don't want to listen to any of them any more. Please, don't tell me squarepusher does it too. |
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HAHAHAHAHahahaha (Meho u are too funny, great stuff)! Yes! I heard rumours about those sellouts at ninjatune like Amon Tobin etc was sampling stuff :( They was like taking a 6 sec loop and then adding drums (cutting em up) from another track, base from another and a vocal sample from another :( sell outs. |
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Shit I just found this interview with Luke Vibert ( he has even sampled Barry White and Michael Jackson)!!! Heres some snippets from the interview: Weidenbaum: Some of the sounds are so live, I wonder if you've brought someone into the bedroom to play something. Vibert: No, I do want to do that but no, I haven't at all. It's only just samples. Sometimes its hard to clear very well known samples, like with that Barry White sample. DAM! ;) |
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i haven't finished this (stupid) thread yet, but shadow samples the metallica song "orion" (instrumental) for the bass line in "the number song", not one of the "what does your soul look like?" parts. also, the thing about shadow sampling fluke is flat out incorrect. and don't even get me started on whether or not shadow "sold out" (when? how? do you see his albums in the top 10 somewhere? on heavy rotation on rock and roll or hip-hop stations? is he producing tracks for nelly now?). |
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if you don't like an artist just because he samples, you are pretty fucking ignorant and you should think about falling asleep on some train tracks. Matmos is 100% sampled and their music would own just about anything anyone on this board could make. Good music is good music, samples or not. Vibert samples SO MUCH, and yet no one calls him a sellout. Squarepusher samples like crazy, and yet he's not a sellout. DJ Shadow's new album rocks, and if someone here could do better, by all means. |
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hmm, arch, if you read el-p's liner notes there's synth/organ stuff credited in the gear, and i've seen rza's studio on tv (cribs yo!!!) and magazines and he does have racks of synths. obviously samplers/mpc's are those producers' main tools but they do use synths at least sometimes. and dre, i dunno if he plays synths himself personally, i think he does, but most of his production is live anyway. he has studio musicians come in and jam and he fixates on stuff he likes and refines it to death. almost all the bass is live, and most of the synth stuff is played by him, mel-man, mike elizondo, or other hired hands. neptunes don't sample, i think like 1% of their songs have samples of pre-existing songs in them. timbaland does sample but he also does a whole lot of original stuff too. pretty sure he uses a synth as well. anyway i agree with you, def jux and anticon are hardly spearheading hip-hop as a genre, ask 9 out of 10 "rap" fans and they'll be like, "who?" |
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one - could they not have both sampled the same source material? two, as said above, perhaps mutual slump was an old song, fluke sampled it, then shadow 'officially' put out his old song on entroducing... three, again, as above, if this was true, would the press not have mentioned it b4? four, as above, was the dled song correctly labelled? ...yours, from a shadow fan who loved entroducing but cant face getting private press in case its shit... |
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that's silly. did you not buy unkle either? anyway, it's probably just a mislabeled file. i know shadow's didn't sample fluke in that song cos i've combed through the dj shadow samples faq and there're so many obscure/unheard of artists that some of these lunatics actually recognize in shadow's music, a fluke song (especially if it made up the entire track, as claimed) would be easy to pick out. sorry, but i just refuse to believe that he's the first person to ever notice a supposedly obvious and famous sample. |
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I think the term selling-out is thrown around way too much... do you guys actually know what it means? |
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selling out is like when all the tickets are gone for a cool movie on the big screen |
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hehe, yes... but different in this case... :) |
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dj shadow's not a sellout. people sell him out. |
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Titsworth: Yeah ofcourse RZA USE SYNTHS and keyboards havent u heard of Bobboy digital!!!??!?!? everything is digital!! Trigger samples u know. Ofcourse does EL-P trigger the sounds and bits, samples etc from a midi keyboard : ) My point was only that everyone samples and its nothing wrong with it, just be creative and DJ SHADow is definitly creative. Samples, bits of sound, loops etc etc etc A sample can be a 0,5 sec piano hit etc etc ;) LOL |
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DJ Shadow was on Muchmusic yesterday for an interview, and I almost shit my pants... :) |
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I still think its stupid though that DJ Shadow sampled a whole "sound" like Mutual Slump. I mean come on! When I heard the cd and when I heard that it was completely made of samples I kinda had it in my mind that each individual part was from a different source! ANYONE can slap on a song on their 'sample mix' cd or whatever and call it theres. dj shadow even called "his song" MUTUAL SLUMP. didn't even have enough creativity to call it something else. i just heard Flukes' song and it even still has those men at the end chanting. I thought that would have been from a different source as well on Dj Shadow's cd. Its pathetic and i won't buy anymore of his cds. |
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okok...when did this fluke track come out anyways? |
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nevermind |
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what's the name of the fluke track? |
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Are we talking about Fluke the progressive housers here? I'm confused. |
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yea fluke, hitmakers of "atom bomb", "absurd", and the bjork remix "big time sensuality". |
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