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Meditation helps a lot of people. It's not necessarily spiritual though. |
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Yeah, cos they don't understand what spirituality actually is, not cos spirituality is a load of crap. I have more faith in gaining spiritual enlightenment than pursuing anything UG has to offer- the man basically believes fervently in nothing! Everything I read about him makes me angry that he is seen by many as some kind of prophet. Load of rubbish- just a modern distortion of everything which could lead to some kind of spiritual or philosophical realisation. |
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It is spiritual, because it is, on whatever level, whatever exercise you do, about changing your perception through experience. |
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"Yeah, cos they don't understand what spirituality actually is, not cos spirituality is a load of crap" yeah that's what i meant. UG's rebel and radical ways do attract me. He's bold. But i do feel most of his more recent interviews are quite negative. He likes to diss and shock. I'm sure he was a very clever man though. And i'm glad i know about him. |
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It depends on who and how and why. |
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Plus it is primarily about dealing with abstract ideas. |
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Well I certainly differ on your feeling on UG. But I respect your opinion. What truth can be extracted from the things he says? If anyone will change my opinion on UG, I think it will be you, sir. |
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He's honest and interesting. Also there's no plan to convert people or make money. That alone makes him special i feel. It's pic 'n' mix anyway. |
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Come on Cygnus, you know you want to! |
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No. It doesn't. I am talking about religious meditation, not the disambiguation of mediation, by which all you're talking about is thinking about stuff. When you meditate, you do it basically for transforming the mind and using it to explore itself and other phenomena. Firstly, this is dealing with abstract ideas, which makes it inextricably linked to spirituality. Every time one meditates, you are left, when you have finished with a different view of the world. This is changing your perception through experience, which is what spirituality is all about. In addition, the goal of any spiritual journey is enlightenment, as it is with meditation. Meditation is one of the most effective means of achieving the spiritual goal of enlightenment. |
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Hm, okay. I meant for you to elaborate on what it is about specific parts of his philosophy which you find attractive. But I guess the things you mention would usually give someone of his position some legitimacy. Those things alone don't really sway me much, though. |
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BTW, I am saying a lot of stuff, but no one is replying. Am I just going off on one like some zealous, dogmatic, fool? :( |
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don't be bigoted, conservative, conventional, hidebound, illiberal, insular, narrow, opinionated, parochial, petty, prejudiced, provincial, reactionary, short-sighted, small-minded, strait-laced, unenlarged, intolerant and narrow minded about it all! Add intolerance and you're barcode! ;) :P How can you say "no. it doesn't" ? The goal varies. It seems you need reassuring and want everything in it's box. |
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How rude! What do you think i'm doing? |
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It is easy, of course, to get drawn into my own little sphere and need to prove that I am right, of course. That's not unique to me, or Barcode. Everyone like to feel that they're right. But sorry if I sound like an idiot. Thanks for keeping check on that. Of course the goal varies, but it is always about spirituality. Spirituality is big, vague massive thing, which encompasses whatever you choose it to. Therefore we are both right. Yes, the goal varies, but spirituality has no one specific goal. I know I said enlightenment, but this can mean millions of different things to different people. As well as this, the goal is enlightenment, but people rarely reach it in their lifetime. The point is to head toward it. :) There was a nice quote on this website that I found: "To me, "spiritual" doesn't mean either "pie in the sky" or wildly rapturous gospel singers. "Spiritual" means the deepest level of what is important in my life: love, family, helping others, creative expression. I call “spiritual” those experiences in my life that are the most meaningful and profound. By that definition, everyone can be said to have “spiritual experiences.”" They then go on to talk about meditation: "Meditation can get us in touch with the Source – whether we call it God, Jesus, Buddha or just a peaceful place inside. I believe that the healing that each of us seeks already lies within. Meditation is a key, because it can help us open to the healing that lies within." |
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Sorry man. I just thought you might have left cos you thought I was was being an idtiot, lol. I might stop this convo now, actually. I didn't mean to rubbish anyone else's beliefs, just ask for some stimulating materials to read. |
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Would you say emotions are a necessary part of human beings? What about the goal to strip yourself from it all? To think and feel nothing. Is that the closest we get to god? |
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I wouldn't worry about it. It's positive to chat about this shit. We shouldn't be so serious about it all though. A bit of humour and modesty is necessary i feel. |
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Like i said then, doesn't mean fuck all. Why did we have to have all this discussion to agree in the end anyway. And why do you get angry with ug? If he believed in nothing thats up to him. You can believe what you like. If anyone thought he was a prophet they're an idiot, and he would have told them that to their face. For me, the difference between ug and all the other gurus etc., is that he didn't seek to take advantage of them, fiscally or otherwise. He didn't patronise them or enforce his opinions on them. They came to him, and most of the time he'd rather they didn't because in a roundabout way he only ever told them to piss off anyway. His message was that he had nothing to offer anyone and coming to see him was the very thing that would perpetuate their continued malaise. I don't agree with everything he said either. He was just more honest than anyone else, he communicated something astounding to me, and had character - he was funny and likeable. The more you watch with an open mind, the more you realise that. |
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Hm, I am not sure. There are a lot of things I want to say, but I want to make sure I have complete confidence in what i say, so I will say nothing just for now. Out of interest, how would you answer those questions? (see, I am listening to others, rather than being all didactic in my approach stuff! ^^) |
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"funny and likeable" Very true and quite an important fact about him. |
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Erm. OK. No, but it's an integral part in the way we function it seems. I dunno, why not. The last question was triggered by your stating that spirituality and meditation go together. |
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Whilst I disagree with everything about him just as much as I did before (and I have looked at the stuff you have posted about him, lniks to the documentary, Wiki articles e.t.c), I understand the reasons you saw him as a positive character. :) |
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rodney dangerfield |
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Well, I do also think that negative experiences make for good lessons in life. Meditation isn't evading emotion. It is just trying to understand how to control them better and turn suffering into peace e.t.c it is not any kind of escape. It is taking emotions head on and dealing with them that way. Not sure what you mean about god, cos neither spirituality or mediation are anything to do with god at all. |
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Like, bam right in the kisser? Or am I getting confused...? |
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You're getting quite confusing (or confused). Also you sounds like you invented meditation the way you speak about it. |
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haha funny you should say that maybe you're confused before i posted my previous post. |
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Okay, man. Okay... Just cos I speak with conviction on something, I sound like I invented it? I have read up a lot on it, is all. In an effort to see things from your POV, maybe I do come across as thinking that meditation is for specific things. But this is just what I have read. I don't think I have invented meditation, dude. |
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hehe, uh-huh! That actually confused a bit more for a split-second, cos I though what you said was a reference to what I had already said about being confused! :D If that makes sense. Which it doesn't. Yeah, I am confused! ^^ |
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"I don't think I have invented meditation, dude. " Ok sorry, thanks for clearing that up! |
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:D |
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Okay, my situation is that I have been in bed up until now. 6:08pm. I need to get up now, cos I am going into town tonight to paint the town red! Or something. So we'll continue this chat either much later tonight or tmoz. Have a good one, RussellDust and Barcode! |
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yeah, u might make more sense when you're drunk ;) |
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hehe, maybe my philosophical friend, MAY BE! :) But you'll have to have a wee drinky-poo too, so that we're on an even playing field! |
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u wanna feed liquor to a dog? grrrrr |
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i think it's cool to be from Athens |
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:( But in all honesty, yes. Yes I do. Why should dogs miss out on the alcoholic goodness? Maybe something fairly weak like beer. I think Fosters for a doggie. :) |
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I gave my dog beer once. He ran around like an absolute lunatic and with in a split second he passed out on his back, tongue hanging out. |
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lol, was it tactical penguin beer? my friend fed whiskey to a cat, once, with similar results. Somehow I think it would be funnier with a cat. *Goes on YouTube to try to find evidence of this* Couldn't find any good dog ones, though. Next time, when your dog gets sedated, perhaps video it, RussellDust. :) |
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he wanted more |
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He won't drink beer anymore. I think he prefers weed. He likes to sit on my lap when i have a smoke. |
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no, that's archie bunker .. erm, i mean peter griffen. |
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Yeah, Archie Bunker being imitated by Peter Griffin. That's the one, cheers, lad. |
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heh i was joking on both accounts. ralph kramden was the guy in the honeymooners who said that. he was parodied by the first peter griffin, fred flinstone. on topic, i am a christian. of course proverbs and ecclesiastes are 2 "philosophical" books in the bible. i also like vonneguet, kafka and charlie kauffman. |
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Ah right, hehe. :) Vonnegut? You mean the author of Slaughter House Five? I might read that at some point. Sounds cool. Like the kinda boy most people read in school but don't enjoy at the time cos they are too young to enjoy anything taught in school, but when you come back to later in life it is interesting enough to enjoy and short enough to be a convenient read. What would you reccomend by Vonnegut? Yeah, I got a book for a few of Kafka's novels. Which is your fave? I find it interesting that he wrote about America even though he never went there. Or, he wrote on America before going there, or something. If it's the same Charlie Kaufman I think you mean (the screen-writer), I frickin love him too! |
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