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Just got dvd/cd grantz graf... the dvd video for it is one the best creations in art I've ever seen. The detailed microscopic music is matched click for click with even more wicked visuals. As for the cd by itself I so far don't think it's as interesting as lp5/ep7... maybe they're thinking more as potential for visuals now or something... track 3 seems the best since it mutates the most... they still have great complexity but a lot of their recent tracks (confield/grantz graf) stopped evolving, just stays as one long symmetrical complex wall sometimes, though with some randomness. -------------------------------------------- IRAA was mentioned in "screensavers" a tech tv show... so I guess this group must actually be having some sort of recent political pull if they'd mention it. But I don't know much about it (don't even know if those are the right initials) They had a poll to ask which was the best way to fight them and 99 percent voted to "hack them". |
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You mean the RIAA? Their website was defaced yesterday and still appears to be down. It was the target of a denial-of-service network attack a few months ago. You can expect this sort of thing to be ongoing. |
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Heh heh... it seems the ONLY people who would support RIAA (or... "IRAA") would be artists themselves since they'd make more money if RIAA supported them. Anyone else would naturally want everything to be free. (unless the idea that being able to preview stuff actually increases cd sales is true) |
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no, the only people that REALLY want it is the record company. The artists hardly get any of the money anyways... doesnt make much of a difference... and while theres is exceptions to this, alot of artists would just be glad people are listening to thier stuff, in anyway shape or form |
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that's a weird idea. I guess that could be true, never thought about how the record labels would benefit from this for some reason. Well the aphex wouldn't be a millionaire if all his stuff was given away for free. Even though the label ate more of the share than he did... We don't need labels today, actually where do they manufacture the 10,000 cd's or whatever they need for one release? In some wharehouse I guess- couldn't some altruistic-to-eachother artists form a "label" but with NO gain for the label, ALL the money would go to the artists? They could just pay some to pay for the 10,000 cd's to be manufactured. Once they establish themselves by word of mouth as constantly releasing solid excellent material, they don't need a real label for exposure/promotion... specially with the internet. |
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well, i think the majority of aphex's money comes from lisencing his music, doing soundtracks, and commericals. (the ones we dont know about) seriously... thats where the money is at. sure he makes money from his cds, but i bet you it doesnt come close to the money he makes from the aforementioned. also, my cd that im releasing on my own label soon, is gonna be sold directly on the net, by word of mouth. I pay for the cd pressing, and then i get all the profits its worth a try eh? |
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is an interesting setup. Although I still feel the best thing to do is pay the artist directly. |
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Suppose you get a demand for 10,000 copies of them hypothetically. Will this force you to go to a label, or what? You can't possibly burn 10,000 on your computer? Can you contact some mass cd burning factory or whatever without using the label as a middleman? |
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oh hell yeah. thats what im goin to do. Im getting them pro pressed, with jewel cases, art work, and printed stuff on the cd. do a search on google for "CD pressing" and youll find lots of companies... |
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Musiclink looks interesting, I'll have to check it out further. Okay, that said, there seems to be absolutely NO reason for an artist to get on a label. Does everyone get on a label merely because "that's the way it's done", just because culture has designed this system and everyone figures it's the right thing to do? Or are they a no longer needed vestigal remnant of a time when the radio was the main exposure and internet didn't exist? Looking from, say, my own point of view, the only reason I'd want (whether or not it's good enough) to get on a good (IMO) label like schematic or musik aus strom is to be sort of linked along with them, so if one person likes this particular type of thing, they can access my music after discovering their- a sort of exposure group. You could sell your music on ebay. |
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well, a label is a great way to get your name out. they do all the work of getting your name out, and they are the ones that put up the money for the pressings... which can add up. I also think people just think its the way its done... id get on a big label, like warp, just to get my name out only reason really... |
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Okay so the label takes like 70 percent right? How much exposure does the label give you ... 70 percent more to justify this? Maybe it would be better to make 70 percent less profits (for lack of exposure) but keep all the money yourself and don't support a labels continued existence (since they seem to be big parasites riding on artists back- THEY don't make any creations, they just take money) |
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running a label is fukking hard work. three good reasons to sign to a label (which have all been mentioned..): - they do everything (except the music) for you (theres a lot of logistics - designing, technical stuff, distribution etc.) - they put up the starting capital - you not only get your own name out, you ride on the name of the label itself, their reputation. |
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This is all tied in with whether you make something for someone else or for yourself too. |
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depends on the label you're on. I think warp and especially planet µ respect the artist. |
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yeah, Zeus, how many cds are you getting pressed..? |
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oh and btw, its gantz graf.. |
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Grants_gaff? |
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grant cartlidge's graph? anyone have a screen capture of the defaced RIAA page? i'd get sick pleasure out of looking at that. |
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im getting 500 pressed first if they all sell, ill do more |
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500's a bit much don't you think! |
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no |
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... I think that's a wee bit much yes. Unless you have a large family and group friends where the entire group is sort of expected to buy it out of support or something. |
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you forget, i go to music college... they eat stuff like this up... and im goin to mass advertise on the net etc etc it will all be good |
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Are you gonna have a sort of exposure where you give away most of these 500 cd's for free on campus, hoping that word of mouth will grow exponentially? |
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no, im not gonna give it away for free... but people here love stuff like this... id say i could sell quite alot |
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damn, I wanna videogame that's like gantz graf... not movie-like though. Maybe you could control that bizarre throbbing polygon mess somehow in some challenging way. I hope that video inspires others to make similar things and release them, I hope they start a subculture of weird videos accompanied by music and show how wrong mtv had it. |
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People like to know what they're buying b4 they buy it naturally, so maybe just spam/post somewhere on campus the internet site to your music page with only 3 free tracks (and a convenient link to a method to buy the cd with all the tracks from you.) *shrugs |
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yep i always intended to have a site with some samples on it, and then be able to have people order online etc |
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