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offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:50 [#00312846]
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What do you UK members think of the proposed ID card
scheme?

Good or bad?


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 13:55 [#00312850]
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us NZers are kinda stuck with it..the previous very fascist
Right Wing govt enforced Drivers Licences with photographs
and invasive database knowledge collections...this centre
Left Govt has eased up on it a bit...
The US citizen take all of this for granted..they have been
eternally bagged, tagged and catalogued with Social Security
Cards.....that you need everywhere from cashing your checks
to brushing your teeth..and all the databases..banks,
libraries, hospitals, Blockbuster..are all streamlined and
regulated via this number...


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:56 [#00312853]
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Yeah, my american mate said their social security cards are
crap too- not even laminated and you're not allowed to
laminate them yourself. He says they fall apart and
disintigrate all the time and they're a hassle to get
replaced...


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 13:57 [#00312854]
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case in point

pop a pill, free


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:59 [#00312856]
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WHAT!!!!!?????

That is insane. No wonder all the Americans I know are so
content ;)


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 14:01 [#00312858]
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heheh..it's so scary its almost funny..shit your pants
funny..


 

offline jand from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-17 14:01 [#00312859]
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I doubt it'll happen....

a) too expensive...
b) easy to forge..
c) unpopular with voters
d) too big-brotherish....

and what use would they be?...can't see em being much use
against Terrorism which is the thinking behind em...

Bloody 9/11!!!...it was a Governments Wet Dream come
true...

Still, would be nice excuse for another Poll Tax type riot
tho...


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-17 18:22 [#00313086]
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Britain needs a good national riot -- hopefully i'll be
there to lob a few molotov cocktails into the houses of
parliament :)


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-07-18 01:13 [#00313553]
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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!

I think the whole idea of identity cards is a great idea!


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-18 01:19 [#00313558]
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Jedi Chris you are a great fella (lightsabre
notwithstanding) :)

but I have to disagree

Its the new wave of fascist control of our lives
what if you forgot it one day and got asked for it by police
? you would automatically be a criminal? Fuck that .

lets just go back to chopping peoples heads off .


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 01:21 [#00313561]
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i trust your joking?

it's not a case of being afraid of being caught doing
illegal things --

-- it's a case of having your privacy destroyed, your
details sold to corporations (already happens of course),
and of being assassinated by Government Ninjas for talking
ill of them on a rainy Tuesday


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 01:22 [#00313563]
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Do you know for absolute definate you have no herritary
diseases? Or has your unkle done ANYTHING wrong in his life?
that will be on your card chris. You are an individual,
why do you want to tell another being everything about
yourself which they can and will use against you?

I'm just playing devils advocate....

but please tell me if you will post how many affairs your
mother has had, how many gay tendancies your father has and
why you didn't perform on those tests when you were eight
years old?

I know that's a bit strong but you get what I'm saying (as
the advocate ofcourse).


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 01:24 [#00313565]
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True Marlowe check this link for the awesome ultimate power
of ninjas....

http://www.realultimatepower.net/

read it, it's funny...


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-07-18 01:30 [#00313572]
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It really doesn't bother me....you are all thinking the
negative things!

I gave my opinion, so there you are. Anyway...I'll let you
guys carry on the discussion...I need some sleep. See you
all tomorrow/today...whatever!!

:)


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-18 01:33 [#00313575]
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bye then

sleep with one eye open

just 'cos U aint paranoid don't mean they aint watchin' ya
;D


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 01:35 [#00313578]
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you're just kissing ass for when they research you for your
card - you want to be a Citizen Against Everyone!!


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 01:35 [#00313579]
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nobody's trying to bother you? have you thought about all
these 'negative' things and come up with 'you've got nothing
to hide, you've got nothing to fear'? or have you read that
somewhere?

It's not an attack Chris, there is nothing wrong with
changing your opinion, that's growth.


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-07-18 01:35 [#00313581]
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Hehehe - will do! Thanks for the advice!

*tucks Jedi lightsaber under the pillow just in case*


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 01:42 [#00313593]
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which one are you in that picture of pathetic
specimens....sorry, i mean "outstanding ninja hardbastards"
;) or are you the kid leaping out of the dumpster shortly
before rupturing his bollocks thru inept nunchuck usage? :D


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 01:45 [#00313598]
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JIVVERDICKER - CHANNEL 4 - PROGRAMME ABOUT KESEY AND THE
MERRY PRANKSTERS


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 01:46 [#00313599]
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It's funny though! I found it one day....ultimate power!!


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 01:47 [#00313602]
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now! I'll see...


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 01:49 [#00313605]
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Marlowe do you post your music anywhere? I'm free tomorrow
so i'll do a remix for you....


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 02:16 [#00313639]
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cool :) - i'm on slsk... apart from mp3.com? i have no idea
how to remix a track so i have no idea how you'd do it :D
would u need my wave files and stuff?


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 02:20 [#00313645]
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are you marlowe on soulseek? could I check mp3.com

It would be best if I had your seperate parts...

I'm free tomorrow and half of the next day..I work
fast......


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 02:24 [#00313649]
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marlowe_23 on slsk... i have the tracks on good bitrate -- i
think i just deleted most of my goddam wave files!! :|
dammit -- altho i'm on a 28.8 so it don't make much
difference :-/ (i think a few songs still have all the wave
files)


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 02:26 [#00313657]
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I'll check marlowe_23 tomorrow. I'm on my mac at the moment
so I can't use slsk! are you on at the moment? I can swap
computers...I'm free tomorrow and it would be fun...


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 02:31 [#00313666]
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i'm on now dude :) tomorrow i'll be on from 6pm - i'll be on
tonite for a coupla more hours


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 02:35 [#00313671]
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I'll try switching computers! which track is your
favourite? I'll do that one... I'll mail you if I need
anything seperste......


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 02:41 [#00313682]
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OK, I'll try......


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 02:45 [#00313685]
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if you're user JivverDicker, then i'll talk to you on slsk
-- :)


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 02:57 [#00313689]
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can we try tomorrow? I don't know where my pc is? I'll
find it tomorow, I've looked everywhere I thought it could
be but it's peobably been cleaned up somewhere....I'll have
to try tomorow.....


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:02 [#00313690]
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hehe you don't know where your PC is :D are you an eccentric
millionaire? :P

ok, tomorrow is good - is after 6pm ok, or do you want me to
get on earlier?


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 03:03 [#00313691]
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I've tried to look again! My girlfriend has gone back to
iceland to see her mum...I'll find it tomorrow, she's moved
it somewhere. Do you have a fast conection marlowe?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:11 [#00313695]
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in a word: no


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:12 [#00313696]
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oh, but there are a few people on slsk who have my tracks
who have cable -- "dozier" is your best bet :) he's got most
of my tracks and he's on cable and he ALWAYS seems to be
online :)


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 03:20 [#00313701]
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Which is your favourite track? I'll try dozier, it's not my
fault I'm a millionaire, I love music!


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:26 [#00313707]
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i guess i don't love music enough :-/

i dono what my favourite track is -- people have expressed a
liking for liquid reverie, but it's not like a tune that can
be remixed (i think), because it's just a baroque inverted
canon *hehe*#

maybe try worlds within worlds or, the one i have a soft
spot for, BLIND TORTURE KILL (tunnel of love mix)

:)


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2002-07-18 03:29 [#00313711]
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Blind torture kill? let me do your favourite......It sounds
good anyway...


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:33 [#00313714]
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ok mofo - it's only a little short un anyways -- just don't
tell me it's too short, cos everyone tells me that :P


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:23 [#00313917]
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hmm..Jedi Chris's complacency and lack of anxiety over the
proposed obliteration of privacy is almost..ummm
frighteningly refreshing...

I for one even though I dont have a lot to hide would
probably be behind bars if I was still in the states just
because of my ethnicity...a lot of Innocent International
students from my region ended up being pulled up and
questioned and jailed in the states...


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 07:29 [#00313923]
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really? fucking hell man that's shit :(


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:34 [#00313930]
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many many..Pakistani and Irani students ended up behind
bars..without court dates or any such..
did you get my email?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 07:40 [#00313940]
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yeah thanx buddy :) i meant to thank you again for your
great collations!! :D


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:44 [#00313942]
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I tried to send you another but was informed that your
mailbox was full..it was elaborating on the last piece..with
documents from the oil companies and such


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 07:49 [#00313949]
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weird - my mailbox isn't full.... odd that - maybe it was
when someone sent me some pictures that were over a MB?
well, it's not full now anyways :)


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:53 [#00313954]
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well it's a big file a pdf..906kb...


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:54 [#00313957]
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I may retry it sometime...gotta go now..
cheers beers up the engineers...:)


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 07:59 [#00313963]
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ahh that explains it :D thanx for trying tho! :~)


 


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