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what do you think about this new trend in music? about cinematic orchestra, jazzanova and many more. personally i like this kind of music but it is not real jazz for me- maybe flanger is as complex and concentrated as it should be but i am not an jazz-expert. |
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i think jazz is dead... tradition jazz that is theyve come with every harmony theory... even non functional harmony they just play the "head" solos then play the head again its boring and its bulshit i like this new fresh approach... its jazz... but not with the standard form... cinematic orchestra is amazing its jazz... but is not like a melody and solo section... it just develops as a whole piece |
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i wish squarepusher would do more of the swifty style jazz because that is just amazing. |
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do you like flanger stuff? i find it an incredible piece of music- they re makin their sound so amazing... |
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oh, and i forgot to mention that its self indulgent the solo section is just like "hey look at what i can do" there is some good jazz... people who know what thier doing.. but jazz is so popular... you have so many people playing it... they cant all be good. i guess i have a different view on it... since i go to Berklee, which is like THE jazz school. Im surrounded by it... and it drives me nuts. These people need to move on. (btw... berklee isnt just jazz....) |
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music is rotted one note is amazing that is a good use of jazz imo |
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yes why does tom not do that anymore!?!?!?!?! i think that was his best era |
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i do not know this sqp album well-> i will have to listen closer to it. |
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yes listen |
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in fact when i went to the cd store on saturday i saw music is a rotted one note there. i don't know why i didn't pick it up.......blarg! |
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I was listening to St. Germain's Tourist album on the way home, and that is a fantastic JAZZ album, with house beats!! It's more jazz then anything... it's not samples, but real compositions he made... something like Amon Tobin is not real jazz... it's jazzy, but it's samples, come on... I don't think jazz is dead... maybe it's been expanded as far as it can be, but people like Miles Davis, and John Coltrane will always sell I think... they'll just keep finding new audiences... |
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ok... well what I meant by "jazz is dead" is that it cant be taken any further in the direction that its been goin of course miles davis will always sell.. he was genius... but people cant top that you know? its all been done. and the people that did it will be recognized through history... but anyone else that comes along is just a copy artist not doing anything new. jazz like squarepusher (ie music is rotted one note) and other newer more experimental forms of jazz is where jazz is headed in its evolution... sadly though... i think it was be awhile before it really catches on with the diehard jazz fans... |
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I think that the new road for jazz is through electronic music... people like Squarepusher, and St. Germain mixing actual jazz music with electronic music... the same for rock music I think... the only real new areas for rock music is the mixtures with electronic music, like Kid A, and stuff... I think that's the future of rock and jazz... |
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exaclty but the people who keep just writting formulaic jazz, that is whats dieing... not in the sense that no one will listen to it anymore... but in the sense that no new stuff of any inovation will be made... |
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however... if i said squarepusher was the future of jazz in my school... id probably castrated... and hung by my toes and expelled from school hehe well... thats getting carried away... but its sure not a good way to make friends! |
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I think that the whole freeness of jazz is enough to keep people interested... jazz is a lot about just pure soloing, and really, you can never duplicate a solo, so it's always fresh in that sense... |
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yes... BUT the format of it will change when you listen to music is rotted one note... could you analyze it like any other jazz standard? melody, round of solos... drums and bass trade eights... melody... tag, and end? no. its improv... but its much less structured. and its good this way |
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For me the Cinematic Orchestra are the best thing around at the moment. I'd be interested as to how jazz fans would react to it. To me it sounds as good as stuff by Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, Coltrane, Adderley etc. I'm not really up on jazz though and have only been getting into it recently. I realise these names I've mentioned are fundamentally important as far as the development of jazz is concerned but I get put off by icons; they come with too much baggage. |
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"I'd be interested as to how jazz fans would react to it" cinematic orchestra were invited to take part in Jazz Jamboree in Poland one on the most important jazz festivals. |
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