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offline dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-07-04 21:47 [#00296970]
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what do you guys think of me buying a 933 power mac g4 with
7300rpm second drive and pro-tools digi 001??????

do you think that this is money well spent?
i do have a lot of friends with macs so cracked software
isnt a problem!

anyway what do you guys think pc / mac whats the difference
i hope to have both systems eventualy, also whats the
average lifespan of a mac or pc?


 

offline lctroboy from BorÃ¥s (Sweden) on 2002-07-04 21:50 [#00296973]
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mac is damn elite.

go for it! they truly are sweet. that's what i say.

beautiful stuff.


 

offline lctroboy from BorÃ¥s (Sweden) on 2002-07-04 21:50 [#00296974]
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if it's gonna be used for all work and no play then u should
go for it.


 

offline Resident Evil from heat some coffee, mmm, mmm (Australia) on 2002-07-04 21:57 [#00296982]
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I've alway's used Mac's and love 'em to death, a G4 would be
awesome!


 

offline Chris Ochre on 2002-07-04 22:03 [#00296988]
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Macs carry a premium I'm not sure is warrented. For the
same price as a basic Mac you could have an ass-kicking PC.
It's getting more and more difficult to justify getting a
Mac IMO, unless you're a Logic user, heh.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-04 22:24 [#00297017]
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you obviously have no idea what you are talking about...

MAC IS THE WAY TO GO


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-07-04 22:35 [#00297039]
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Macs run twice as fast as PCs at equal Mhz but are also
twice as expensive so they're equal. Both have great
programs and are more than suitable for audiotasks.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-04 22:36 [#00297040]
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pcs crash like 0923450723 times more then MACs



 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-07-04 22:41 [#00297049]
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No, only when you use a Win95/98 kernel OS...

I've run my PC for a year now without crashing(Win2000)


 

offline Chris Ochre on 2002-07-04 22:46 [#00297055]
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Hahaha!

We're not dealing with P75s running WinME anymore.

My PC gets left one more or less 24/7 amd hasn't crashed for
as long as I can remember. I'm not trying to start a Mac vs
PC flame war for fucks sake. I'm trying to say I don't think
the Mac vs PC debate is quite as cut and dry as it's been in
the past.

So what if Macs can surpass a PC's performance at equal
clock speeds. I'll have a PC with a 2.5GHz processor
please...

Mac's are very expensive. If you've got the money, sure - go
ahead and buy yourself a fancy looking computer.


 

offline Taoist Blockade from Wales on 2002-07-04 22:54 [#00297066]
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Get a PC, if you set it up right and know what youre doing
it will crash LESS than a mac. I had a G4 733 and while it
was pretty it just didnt have enough juice to run a lot of
plugins and softsynths at once. If youre using any VSTis,
and effects, definitely get a pc.


 

offline Taoist Blockade from Wales on 2002-07-04 22:55 [#00297071]
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now im running an athlon XP2000 and songs in cubase that
were eating %80 of the CPU never cross %10 on the athlon. I
sold the mac to buy the athlon a year after I bought it,
never looked back.


 

offline VampireAngel from San Juan (Cuntland) (Puerto Rico) on 2002-07-04 23:21 [#00297103]
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So Taoist,you too suggest a Pc????
I am thinking of buying a laptop by december,but not so sure
if I should get a laptop pc or a powerbook???
And yes,I will be running lots of music making programs,not
to mention sequencers,like Reason2......
Any suggestions my phriends????


 

offline Taoist Blockade from Wales on 2002-07-04 23:28 [#00297113]
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If youre getting a desktop get a PC. If you're getting a
laptop its a harder descision, you cant really go wrong with
mac laptops, but if you do your research properly you can
probably get more for your dollar on a PC.


 

offline VampireAngel from San Juan (Cuntland) (Puerto Rico) on 2002-07-04 23:38 [#00297118]
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That is right man,for what I will pay for a nice powerbook
can find a nice laptop plus all of the software that I
really need for less..By that time I should have done an
extensive research,but thanx,really appreciate the time
taken for answering.....=)


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-04 23:38 [#00297119]
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i hear mcas are great for audio & video editing


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-04 23:39 [#00297123]
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MACs*


 

offline Taoist Blockade from Wales on 2002-07-04 23:40 [#00297124]
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what software are you going to be using exactly? For example
reaktor for mac is utter shite, while for PC it is out of
this world. I couldnt understand what all the fuss was about
reaktor while I had it on my mac, now on my PC I hardly
touch any other softsynths.


 

offline Chris Ochre on 2002-07-04 23:55 [#00297137]
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How so, Tao?


 

offline VampireAngel from San Juan (Cuntland) (Puerto Rico) on 2002-07-05 00:02 [#00297146]
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Mostly will be ACID,for music editing and programming,plus
editing some loops,Reason v2,mostly for sampling and
sequencing plus some programming too and for practicing my
virtual djing,Traktor......That is it for now plus other
programs for easy music making matters or some basic
rythms,maybe FruityLoops,dont know yet......=)


 

offline Taoist Blockade from Wales on 2002-07-05 01:30 [#00297209]
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you can only open one instance as a VSTi, which isnt even
fully integrated, you have to have the standalone reaktor
open in the background. Using it as an effect within cubase
is extremely flakey and prone to crashing the computer.
Theres just generally a feel of shakyness to the whole
thing, I was always worried it would collapse. Now on PC I
dont even think twice about having 4 instances open and
using effects all the time. Its never crashed once on me
sincee ive been on PC.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-05 15:42 [#00298128]
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macs are better. thats all there is too it. when microsoft
has a commercial with some one as ultimately cool as george
clinton in it, maybe i'll reconsider


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-05 15:43 [#00298130]
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"imma drop a funk bomb on you"


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-05 15:45 [#00298132]
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plus: "all work and no play", snes9x for the mac is probably
the most beautiful looking emulator i've seen.


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-07-05 15:46 [#00298136]
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Not a lot actually - I despise Apple computers!

Sorry!


 

offline Chris Ochre on 2002-07-05 15:47 [#00298137]
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I had no idea Reaktor was so crappy on Mac. So you bought
Reaktor for Mac and PC, or does it come on both formats on
one CD?

Wasn't Mac Reaktor a couple of versions behind PC too?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-05 15:50 [#00298138]
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People always cite design programs as the reason to get a
mac. As far as I know they don't have Autocad or Painter on
them. And all the good CGI software is Sun/PC format. All
the good mac stuff is ported to pc anyway, plus you can
upgrade PCs a lot more easily and do far more with them. PCs
are far better for games and compatibility. In my
experience, mac users (aside from programmers) seem to be:
girls/non technical bods/hippies.


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-07-05 16:14 [#00298174]
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I program on my PC but to be honest for everyday tasks the
Mac just performs better.

Mac have always had the advantage that they design the HArd
and software.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-05 16:15 [#00298176]
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I know, but it's like Nintendo/Sony,
Would you rather a few really outstanding titles or loads of
good ones from 3rd parties.


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-07-05 16:21 [#00298182]
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I have noticed recently that there is alot of mac envy where
I work after OSX came out. All the nerds are giving it
props. I went to a seminar all about it and all the UNIX
guys where *almost* won over. Only time will tell there.

For me computers should be usable with very little practice.
Macs are just that.

I like my PC for programming and the like but OSX now offers
JAva and C IDEs as standard so I soon might ditch the old
PC.

PCs are ugly as fuck to boot.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-05 16:23 [#00298186]
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Cheap trick to win over PC fans- porting unix and putting a
girly gui over the top :)


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-07-05 16:27 [#00298189]
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fucking expensive trick!

One day you will love that 'girly' interface! MArk my words.


I used to love PC until I got a job that demnded I use a
Mac. Now I have seen the error of my ways.

You are right about the price but when someone else is
paying who cares. And as the maxim goes 'you get what you
pay for'.



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-05 16:28 [#00298191]
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I admit macs are good, but not for what I do on computers.


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-07-05 16:34 [#00298195]
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I think you have hit the nail on the head.

I have been debating about what computer to buy for myself.
And I have decided to get a Mac and run virtual PC on it.
Unfortunately there isn't the opposite of this for a PC.

For programmign etc I will use the PC and for everyday tasks
the MAc will happily be my companion.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-05 16:42 [#00298198]
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My friend did an art degree and surfed the net. He never
played games or programmed etc. for him a mac was ideal.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-05 16:52 [#00298210]
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"you can upgrade PCs a lot more easily"
about a month ago, my dad upgraded the ram to a gig. if he
can do that, anyone can. him and his friend also put in an
internal second hard drive...

oh, and for the emulator thing i was talking about:
Normal snes graphics
Mac Snes9x graphics



 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-07-05 17:00 [#00298221]
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lauty flinks


 

offline dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-07-05 17:09 [#00298227]
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cheers folks for all your input, my main reason for buying
the mac is that ive spent two years at college using pro
tools and i realy want to have a system that im familiar
with and as far as ive been told the mac runs pro tools
realy well?


 

offline dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-07-05 17:10 [#00298228]
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indeed faulty links!


 

offline Omneignotumus on 2002-07-05 18:03 [#00298296]
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What if one seeks a computer that will be fully dedicated to
music making? Which system is best? Do Aphex Twin and
Squarepusher use Mac or PC. Do they use Pro Tools?


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-05 19:14 [#00298381]
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http://www.geocities.com/nigelhatesyou/bad.jpg
thats the original snes
http://www.geocities.com/nigelhatesyou/good.jpg
thats the mac snes9x...
i don't know why it didn't work...


 

offline Xanatos from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-05 19:19 [#00298393]
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I just bought the powerbook G4 800 and I'ts a fucking
amazing machine, no PC laptop (in that weight class 5.4
pounds) comes even close to its power. It's just great.

If you're interested in buying a notebook check out the
thread I made before I bought my mac:

MACS VS PCS (Noteboooks)


 

offline dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-07-05 19:30 [#00298412]
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so Xanatos do you think i made the right decision?


 

offline Xanatos from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-05 19:59 [#00298461]
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Absolutely, I've had it for 6 days and I'm really happy
about it. Here's the thing, I think that its about
equal in power to like the 2.0+ gigs p4 notebooks. But
those things with the combo drive (CDRW+DVD) included are 8+
pounds 2.5 inches. The Powerbook is 5.4 pounds, 1 inch,
with the same sized screen. I have a feeling in 6 months or
so they will have 5 pound pc notebooks capable of the 800mhz
powerbook. But that's a way off. Plus macs are just
beautiful. I'm learning to love the OS (I don't like it as
much as windows yet, probably because I'm not used to it.)
Warcraft III runs beautifully on it, and everything just
works. I plugged in my digital video camera, beep! it
works. No drivers, no b.s. Basically its a self contained
world, what you are sacraficing is third party software, but
in that self contained world, mac assumes they have or make
everything you need, but so far...they're right.


 

offline Xanatos from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-05 20:00 [#00298464]
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My only real complaint at this point is file sharing,
limewire is sucking and I don't really have any good
connections for the third party software. If you are in the
know though, I'm sure you can overcome that, I'm sure I will
soon.

Its annoying though, not to even have adobe photoshop yet.


 

offline dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-07-05 20:01 [#00298466]
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CHEERS DUDE!


 

offline Xanatos from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-05 20:04 [#00298474]
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Sorry I can't help you with the electronic music production
aspect, I haven't even begun that yet, ask me again in a few
months when I have my setup set up.


 

offline Xanatos from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-05 20:06 [#00298477]
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And if you get the G4 tower, shell out the extra $700 for
the dual 1 gig processor! I've heard universally that its
worth it (plus you get 20 extra gigs of HD, and more
importantly double the ram).


 

offline MrTenzin from The Concrete Jungle (United States) on 2002-07-05 22:00 [#00298586]
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i was going to get a mac just because of final cut pro but
the pc just got Avid Xpress and that shit rocks final cut
pro so im going to stick to my pc! :)


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-05 22:04 [#00298590]
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i hear adobe premier is pretty bad ass. i've got a bunch of
video editing shit on my computer, but no camera!


 


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