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What do you think about Peter Joseph's |
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The calendar is hilarious. |
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It just looks like Dubai got some more money. |
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It's the one with the tanks and old cars with weird buildings that got me. (not the one with water) |
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Or that it's a . |
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I think unless we adhere, death is imminent! |
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In their retro-futuristic galaxytanks? |
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"Man is so stupid, he doesn't even know how to create a god" - love that quote. Unfortunately, Fresco's views are flawed; it naive to expect revolution out of something that is rotten to the core. We steal off each other - he says, "politicians are flawed, ignorant men", "all nations are corrupt". But who are politicians - they're not a separate species. What is the make up of society and nations? You and me. The activities of society and culture are a mirror image of the human condition - full of selfishness and greed, to its very core. How from that does Franco suppose we bring about the exact opposite? A society built on mutual benefit. Revolution is always cosmetic, it's merely a re-evaluation of what already exists. So the system is irrelevant really; if we want change - real, purposeful change, every individual has to intrinsically change, and Franco doesn't even touch on that. Every cell in your body is fighting for its survival, right now! You are made up of cells, including your brain. Thought is fighting for self-survival too, all it cares about is it's own continuity - and that condition is manifested in society. No "system" will change that. |
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If you have the time, watch this lecture by Peter Jospeh, he basically dismantles our whole existence and how it could be bettered exponentially. I realize you're probably right Barcode, the fact that i am typing this to you is because of my situational sequence of decisions which i have been 'lucky' enough to experience. But if this isn't Altruism, then what is it? just explaining our failure as a species from a scientific point of view? |
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Also, what would be interesting in life if you felt there was no deterring factor? If life were perfectly accommodated for, there would be no need to survive. right? |
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and actually my current situation is dependant upon others as well. |
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I have concluded that i am a dying idiot! |
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Everyone is a dying idiot. |
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tru dat. |
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I think this is my ultimate personal question for you Barcode, are you scared to die? Are you afraid of your approaching bodily breakdown? I know i am, even though there's no reason to be. I just don't want to experience losing grasp of what i've always known. |
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Not afraid. I consider it a nuisance. I don't think the mind can really comprehend death. After all, can you comprehend what you were doing before you were born? There was nothing before and there will be nothing after, but equally nothing to fear. Anyway, you don't really die - your atoms and molecules are reassembled back into the earth. In that respect the universe is a massive junkyard. What you call you dies. Your collection of thoughts and experiences. But then what you call "you" is not real anyway - it's all put there by others. You are very much a second-hand person, even if you don't feel that way. As UG said, cabbages are more alive than humans. |
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I ate some cabbage earlier. It didn't put up much of a fight. |
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I'd hate to be eaten by a cabbage. |
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You may win a physical fight with a cabbage, but mentally you're not in its league. |
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This is true. Cabbages ponder nothing. If you were told exactly when you were going to die do you think your attitude towards death would be different? |
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how does UG work that one out? how can any living organism be more alive than any other living organism. thats shite. |
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Cabbages have three hearts = triple aliveness. |
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meh |
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I'm sure it would to some extent. But I think in life you should never worry about what you did or did not do. You did what you wanted to do at the time, even if meant lazing around doing nothing. And if you're told you're going to die, you will do what you want to do then as well - albeit perhaps bringing some plans forward. |
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I just can't dismiss religion, particularly the Bible, it seems it has some secret truth to it, like a coded manual for the temporary life and strife of humans. In that respect, This Venus Project and Peter Joseph in particular could be considered to be the Antichrist. This whole dissonant form of society, or the way we conduct ourselves based on the desire for money and survival, must have some important in an eternal sense. (in the way we can understand it) Ok now i got that out of the way. |
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Well, I think he was being pedantic, but there is some truth in that the cabbage is existing in a natural, intelligent way. As indeed all animals and so-called intelligent plant life do. Humans don't. Thought ruined the possiblity. |
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I agree but have to admit I am afraid of death. This is purely a selfish thing of course because I will perceive nothing and remember nothing but you know, I like stuff. I don't want that to end. |
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must have some *importance |
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Surely the bible, what with parts of it being a reworking of previous religious texts, should be the book that is least likely to be true? |
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thought has ruined 'it'. |
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Do you mean bonking? |
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right, but do you think a god would allow 'his word' to be skewed? If there is a god, which i'm not dismissing all together, it seems the god would make it's will (or word) be known without being falsified. |
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You refuse to dismiss religion because of your fear of death. You can come to whatever conclusions you like about it, the fact is religion is a man made philosophy - and a pretty crude, unoriginal and transparent one at that. Ask yourself, does a dog or baboon need Jesus? Are other animals lives any more or less meaningful or important than yours? There is only one difference between you and them, your brain evolved far enough to elicit self-awareness. And with it came your tragedy - trying to find an explanation for something that cannot be explained, and you have no way of knowing. If you want to believe in that crap then fine, if it gives you comfort do it. Whatever gets you through. Although I don't really believe it does give people comfort, they are repressing rather than accepting. |
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Having faith is the only problem i have, if i let it go, will i spiral into hell? Or would i be doing the rational thing by not letting my mind be consumed with outdated and incorrect information? |
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I guess the beauty of it is we'll never know. It's a good laugh is life. |
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what was there to ruin? was giving that space purpose the human flaw? thought was the flaw? defining this flaw is the most human thing. to describe/analyse/critique these flaws is an act of admittance. admitting the inevitable |
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perplexing this all is. I haven't had this sort of mindset in a while, it feels good. |
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You don't really have faith. I would say 99.9% of supposed religious people are fakes. If they REALLY believed in heaven and hell do you think they would behave the way they do? We are talking eternal damnation in flames remember just for stealing a cadbury's creme egg or telling a lie. |
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I have this sort of inclination to believe that every second the universe is constantly shifting, and time means nothing, and the beings that we are, think we are 'here' for some sort of purpose. I don't think life is a linear death sentence. |
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dont dismiss religion for this reason - it's many minds figuring shit out over many many years of trying to find answers to being human. in that sense it has merit and thats what you are interested in pulse. but never forget that religion spends far too much time dreaming and wondering and crying and wishing. that's dangerous |
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i am dronk i cannut followup. was a mistake sry |
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I have read some philosophers who think that "thought" is like a river, a stream - it's not part of the brain. It's just out there on another plane, and the brain is merely an instrument that allows us access to it. Sounds rather fanciful to me though. |
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some mathmeticians and scientists believe that free will is an illusion and that everything is deterministic, which is a pretty frightening idea |
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Determined by what? |
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Determinists believe the universe is fully governed by causal laws resulting in only one possible state at any point in time. |
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i watched a good documnetary about it, but i can't find the link |
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Well that sounds like what could be considered the 'soul', or the 'mind'. I think most progressive thinkers, myself included, just get agitated by hearing the same old stories that have been around over and over again. Which is why these new age philosophies seem so envigorating and fresh. wouldn't you agree? Really we all just rely on the furthest curiousities of thought by others who have thought before us. But religion is totally different, it's concept doesn't say to come from man, but some 'higher' entity. but like i said it's been a neverending subject trampled to death, i'd rather talk more about those philosophers you've read about. |
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meaning convoluted existence, but did not damage it. what is damage but another human theory dreamed up out of comparing the world around us to our own perspective. yeah barcode you use human meaning thoughtz to conclude that meaning is the ultimate human failure. failure is just another thought in a world of colliding physics that doesn't care. this is what makes your perspective redundant |
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that is what makes any conclusion redundant. Barcode's logic just takes a snapshot. |
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i want to watch that documentary. |
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