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Say, I really hate the idea of millions of chickens couped up in little cages, yet i really like the taste of KFC's potato chips.... am i morally accountable for the ill-treatment of all those chickens when I buy a large batch of their chips? Same goes for any of the other asshole companies. I like french fries. What am I to do? |
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you can either stop giving a fuck and buy the fries or you can decide to only eat french fries with are made sustainably/by a sustainable company. either way you'll be happier. |
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..... no. |
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now knowing that yanks dont quite grasp humor in the proper way, are you serious? |
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they are really bad for you anyway. what you are craving is the fat and salt. so buy some healthy fat like hemp oil...and poor some of that on smoe veggie food. and add some salt. your cravings will go away. . |
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one reason people can't eat veggie food is causer they never feel full or totally satisfied ...not enough fat and salt. great thing is you can add the oil ( hemp is the best balance of omega 3 6 9 ) better than olive oil. its great. |
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save your moral for something else, nobody is gonna give a fuck about chickens |
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jamie 'i'm a cunt oliver and hugh 'i'm a fat jowly wanker' fearnly-whittingstall pretended they loved the chucks, i imagine they made more money out of it then they actually cared about the chickens tho. |
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is there evil in the fat? |
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morality isn't something that is dispensable, i don't think. besides, it's not like I'm about to join 'Save the Chickens' |
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anyway, the simple answer clearly is: yes, by buying their french fries i am morally accountable for those chickens. |
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No body can be a vegan in a city, unless you fast on water and grow your own veg....but even then you use water, funding the water board which is run by a work force of meat eaters. Almost all companies have a meat eating work force ..so you fund them, so they can buy meat to make you a computer or drive a bus. Only because none of them were educated by the national curriculum to show they could be healthy from a plant base diet and even win gold medals like carl lewis or offer a magnitude of contributions to the physics world like Einstein. |
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eat dirt, its free and we have plenty of it infact send me your address and ill mail you a box of Nebr. dirt and ill even throw in a rock for free. |
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They're just chickens. They're barely more conscious than the potatoes the chips were made out of. |
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If the was still alive id eat him next are you gonna tell me plants have feelings |
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I bet the chickens are more incensed at them being referred to as chips. That might even be still in the blue laws in the sovereign state of Kentucky. Fish and chips is tolerated, but hamburgers and chips or chicken and chips, hm. |
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dude, chicken and chips is a classic british pub dish, served in a basket layer of chips (not crisps) in the bottom 1/4 or half a chicken, fried on top. |
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i havent been to a harvester for years, but theres a good reason for that i cant quite fathom out at the moment |
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Harvester is McDonalds with cutlery |
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precisely. chain pubs the like are pretty much an acceptable middle class fast food, people actually refere to visiting them as 'going out for a meal' !? |
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I went to a Harvester for the first time a few years ago and was so disappointed I didn't eat in a pub for six months. |
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when freqy was a little boy before he was a herbivore , freqy ate many big macs and his weee went green like mr spock. GREEN : o |
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what are you on about not being able to be vegan in a city? it's gonna be a lot easier to be vegan somewhere there are more options available to you. is there some black hole in cities where vegetables, beans, and tofu suddenly become unavailable? |
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i pay tax , water rates, wages for shop keepers bus drivers . almost all of these companies and teams of people use animals as their energy source to do the work i pay them to do . so i fund their diets. that means i fund abuse. veganism is not achievable in any city you pay tax, you fund abuse. 'veganism in intent' is more accurate. |
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i hope one day i can be a real vegan. |
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i hope one day i can be a real Gigan. |
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for fuck's sake, being vegan is about not eating animal products. your morals and rationale behind the decision are yours alone. i think you're confusing veganism with an off-the-grid sustainable lifestyle. there is no 'real' vegan. jeez. |
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vegans do not fund abuse or buy anything that caused pain onto another animal. |
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mr headpherker please lets not quarrel we've gone over a year without a battle. lol :P |
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look at idekstical he's going to eat us. Run Run .!!!!!!!!!!! |
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okay, well it's not just about diet, but still, it's about minimizing your impact. from the vegan society, via wikipedia: [T]he word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals. they're not asking you to go live in a hovel somewhere, just be conscious of what you consume. you know what happens if all the people who care enough to become vegans flee to the country? the cities become 100% populated with imbeciles who couldn't give two shits about sustainability, and the world just continues going to shit. from what i've seen freqy you seem to have a very black and white moral attitude, and even while many of your ideas may be on the side of what many would call good and noble, there's so much that can be done with idealism before you realize that part of why it's so hard to make things perfect is they all have to work in concert with each other - what may work in an isolated idealized situation just doesn't hold up when exposed to a thousand other mitigating factors. i.e. sure if you move out to the country and farm all your own beans, veggies, non-meat whatever, you're actually going to be using a lot more energy than if you were raising your own chickens and farming sustainably (like not tofu and beans and corn oil for your car etc, these things waste tons of energy). there's a lot more to survival of the human race than saving one chicken's feelings. |
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youve gone off on one again " there's a lot more to survival of the human race than saving one chicken's feelings. " when did you assume i was ever talking about saving the human race in this thread and that i said saving a single chicken would do the job? if we all ate plant based diets the deforestation would be dramatically reduced , methane in the atmos would also dramatically reduce. it is so less efficient to eat animals than plants ! its just so ridiculous this whole subject. you think of something that doesn't make sense in your head , then you blame others for thinking it. i don't need to argue, because i really care about animals and our energy needs too. and i do know many solutions but no one cares enough to try. |
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i just really don't get the whole "being vegan means not riding the bus" thing. |
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animals die, so what's the problem with eating them? Freqy what about other animals, they eat smaller prey, so are they doing a bad thing? It's just the food chain. |
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sorry i its just frustrating to have to deal with this system i feel i am locked in. funding abuse is unavoidable. then to have to talk about animals and question do their feelings count? of course they count , to me and to them! we care.! and is why i try to avoid as much hurting of them as possible. be it riding my bike instead of catching a bus ..or simply buying an apple instead of a cheese burger! if i hate the fact i fund a government that supports animal experimentation i have every right to speak about it! and people should know what they fund. i do not feel i can be vegan , maybe in intent, but really a label is all a load of tot! |
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humans have the ability to choose their way of living far more broadly than any wild animal. We have a unique ability to distinguish what is right or wrong ( which depends on what you concide right or wrong.) i concider right doing good for others and not causing pain. ( so i apologie for these posts if i give a head ache) i concider geting on a bus to go to town wrong if i am 'able' with a bicycle! because i can do it with ease, save money, reduce weight on the bus ( less fumes) and not give my money to another that he/she might do what i consider wrong with it. like buy a big mac for driving me to town!! lol :P |
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dude, all it is is a label. there's no need to lament about it. you do what you can in your situation and live with it. there's ways you can fight the injustices you see other than not riding a bus to avoid contributing to the paychecks of meat eaters, because honestly, they're not hearing you. |
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thanks hedphukkerr : ) |
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i am sorry for being a pest at times! : P |
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funny thing is, I'm gonna die of cancer before any of you lot anyways!! cause i have to cycle behind that freaking bus driver!! The fumes burn my lungs to **** i think he see's me choking too! lol : P gotta laugh tho. ...:/ |
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freqy. you da man. |
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ok, why not lobby for either electric or natural gas powered public transport? be constructive, work to make the system better rather than just disapproving. |
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Why don't you walk to work? The horrific, treacherous evil that go to make your bicycle capable of making it easy for you. |
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I've decided to become a venerean and only eat pussy. |
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yes indeed. that would be cool a scalextrix track around the world id promote that. . sorry for moaning on again. ; _) |
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i hope no fluffy bunnies died to make my bicycle. enslaved by halfords to design and construct post haste, or there be no tasty carrots for din dins. : _( only kiddin,,, yep your right must take energy to build the bike. lol . |
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What about all the meat eating people that work in all the businesses that keep you happily hanging around on xltronic all day? Did you know Phobiazero powers his server with dogs heads? He just throws the rest of the animal in a pile labelled 'RDJ fan letters' and sends them to him at the end of each month. |
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:_ ( |
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Just give in to temptation, eat a child. |
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