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Hey i have this synth hooked up to my Edirol PCR-300 MIDI keyboard which acts as a MIDI interface for my computer with what i want to do with my DW6000. Now, unfortunately the 6000 was wiped and the internal preloaded patches and voices were erased, so i read up on this and i guess you can either buy a cassette tape to play the original 6 voices and load them that way, or use a sysex-midi dump from a program on a computer. So does anyone know how to use a OSX app like SysEx Librarian to send MIDI through my PCR-300 keyboard to the DW6000 and what i'd need to do to have DW6000 interpret the MIDI data as patches? Thanks for anyhelp in advance, i realixe this is probably not even wirth the trouble becaue the DW6000 is really just an outdated crap version of the microKorg but atleast with analog filters. here's some reference links: |
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i cant help you with sySEX, but you could probably just play back the patches via computer if there are dumps available online i used to save patches from my polysix to minidisc (A&D lol) back when i was a young lad |
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actually it should work "out of the box" just connecting the dw-600 to the pcr midi out and selecting that port in sysex librarian and just press "play". i can't remember changing anything in my bcr2000 when uploading sysex patches - the first few bytes should force it by itself. |
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Yeah i don't know about all the pre-loaded patches and i really don't even want them, but i know that the 8 original voices are just waveform generations with one-period so to act as a DCO? i'm not too sure i was hoping somebody with some experience with these outdated synths could let me know. thanks though vlari, it sounds like a good idea to load random soundfiles too and use them as patches like those older synclaviers |
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so just turn the dw-6000 synth on and it should accept the data as patches and save them? There's no preparation needed in order to ready the dw-6000 for uploading this sysex file? Also do i need to have two midi cables from bouth in and outs? |
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not really - connecting the midi out from the dw to the pc would give you the option to receive messages from the dw. there are sysex dump tools that are waiting for a positive receive message before sending the next chunk, but you can also just manually type in a specific amount of ms between sending the chunks (as far as i can see in the screens of the osx program there is a slider where you can change that - change it to 250 ms or higher to be clear) just for clearance - this will probably overwrite andything you have done on the dw (presets, etc) so think twice. |
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i couldn't fing anything in the manual about a "receive" mode in the dw. so as i said it should be sufficient to just send the stuff right away. i guess that when you start sending the leds on it start to flicker or something. |
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you're saying change the 'pause between sending messages' in MS slider to above 250 ms? would it be easier to just find those OSC waveforms and play them consecutively or would timing be an inescapable matter to get correct. |
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i'm sorry but i didn't anything you said in the second sentence. |
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sorry, i meant that because i just looked on the DW's synths front panel and it has the OSC waveforms (8 of them) and i was just wondering if it is easier to just recreate or find those audio files and play them from my computer into the cassette port in the DW, but then would the timing be an issue (the time in miliseconds between each voice is loaded)? |
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this synth is a asshole i'm sending it back. |
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sorry to hear that. just to clear thing s up (if you still care) - this delay in the sysex librarian isn't delay that it applies in between the voices itself but delay between data-chunks that are being sent from your pc. think of it like a usb connection where you are sending a large movie and the same way your pc sends one packet, let's say 10 mb, waits, then sends another packet. this has nothing to do with the voices themselves. |
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okay but this is still buggering me - as far as new wavetable synths like the waldorf blofeld or nord wave give you the possibility to upload your own waveforms, i'm not so convinced that the dw600 has. imho they are burnt permanently and cannot be changed. the sysex file you linked are just those 64 factory-presets but not waveforms. in the manual there isn't anything mentioned about deleting or changing those voices also. |
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here's the ebay item link. I'm guessing maybe when he changed the battery he might have damaged the synth? There's absolutely no sound coming from the synth, and when i tried to load the data tape sounds from my computer via the FROm TAPE jack, the load function wouldnt work right, it couldnt verify the sound coming in etc. |
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you definately won't achieve that with loading the sysex data that you posted above - those are only preset files. |
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when i first tried using a preset sound before all of this when i first got it, it did slightly work for a second, i'm guessing there's a problem with the boards or something then. Because i've been trying to re-write new sounds but no sound. |
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is it possible that some internal battery is dead and it just resets everytime you shut the synth off ? |
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nope that's definitely not it because it remembers the last sound bank/parameters etc. selected before turning off. I'm hoping the guy will let me ship it back. It never says anywhere in the product description in the eBay item link that it doesn't work correctly. So he should nice enough to get it looked at while i ship it back on my expense. |
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Try asking here http://www.robotsforrobots.net/index.php |
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As sadist suggested, I think you may have fallen victim of the korg DW*000/Poly*00 leaky battery issue resale syndrome (it happened to me too). Sysex dumps won't really help you. I would take the synth to someone who is familiar with this issue and see if they could retrofit the motherboard with the battery fix. Time is kind of precious here, because the motherboard can be permanently damaged from the battery leak. |
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i'm just going to pay the costs for shipping and get my refund. I wanted something purely analog from the beginning anyway, so i'm happy i can use the money for something else. |
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There seems to be some confusion as to different kinds of digital synthesis in this thread. The DW6000 isn't a wavetable synthesizer like the blofeld, a virtual analogue like the microkorg, and a sample based synthesizer like the DW6000. You can't just play the samples back into the synth through sysex. They are permanently on chips inside the synth. Not sure if its the case for this synth, but with some older tech like this you can get eprom burners that allow you to implant your own samples into the chips. Nothing online leads me to believe thats the case with this one tho. |
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Fair enough. At your price range, I might suggest looking at a sequential circuits six trak, or a mopho. |
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thanks for that mopho recc. it looks pretty versatile. |
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I have one, it sounds fantastic. Hardly believe that much rich sound comes out of something a little bigger than a vhs tape. If you can muster it financially, I might almost suggest the tetr4. But the mopho is very fun, and sounds ridiculously rich. |
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yes i admit that i was calling it a wavetable synth several times which it isn't - my bad. this is one hell of a weird synth. i haven't heard of hardware before that you can erase like that. what was their point of storing it in ram instead of burning it permanently into some chip. as there is no isntruction whatsoever about changing those samples i guess korg didn't want people to change the internal ones so why did they leave that open. on the other hand - i found this movie which is kind of awesome |
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It was burnt onto a chip, but they were chips you could erase and rewrite. I don't know why they did that. Maybe it was an affordable workaround because ram being so expensive at the time. In any event, you could get devices like the prommer which would allow you to make your own sounds for your drum machine. |
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