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by Swans And All Across America The Poison Fires Glow And In The Blood Of Our Procreation Annihilation Grows Yes Love Was Made For Slaves Like Us Designed To Fetishize Consumption, Waste And An Identity Based On A Dying Lie So God Forgive America The End Of History Is Now And God May Save The Victim But Only The Murderer Holds Real Power We Came Across The Seas We'd Fill With Offal And Disgust And Any Object Industry Required We Bought, Enslaved, Or We Crushed And Now Our Minds Are As Naked As The Paradise We Stripped And Our Reward Is Our Entropy Our Emptiness Is Our Gift So God Forgive America And Every Human On This Earth And God Forgive The Ruined Lives And Nothing Is What It's Worth |
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and again in the amplified version, featuring inline commentary The historic understanding of this prophecy is that it referred to Alexander the Great's His death, and , to his four generals. Then out of one of those divisions, the Seleucid Empire, came . It goes onto describe what he would do with . This full interpretation can be found While this interpretation is true, it can only be a type of the final fulfillment. Why? What does the interpreting angel say? "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end.", and again He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end. ? |
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Vague enough predictions will inevitably apply to something, especially metaphorical ones. In fact you've already shown that it could apply to two distinct periods in history, and, since I presume people must have been actively looking for connections for centuries, I'm sure there's more. |
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I think this thread is a cry for help. You've been orbiting Planet Christianity trying to achieve escape velocity and you want a push either out into the unknown or back to the planet. Well, I'm not going to push you either way. You have to decide for yourself whether or not you want to continue being a Christian. Is your family Christian? Your wife or significant other? Then don't take the red pill. Stay in church and enjoy your life. You don't want the hassle. I hear it sucks being a nonbeliever in a family of believers and I believe it. If you really want the red pill, do your own research. There are plenty of skeptical articles on prophecy in Daniel and the rest of the Bible. You can find them yourself. You can go to Amazon and order one of Bart Ehrman's books if you're interested. Lurk on FRDB. Give yourself mental whiplash by reading Plato and Nietzsche at the same time. Explore. Good luck, pilgrim. |
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That's exactly why i have been mentioning Noam Chomsky to people now lately. It seems to me that he understands that there are plenty of things to be focusing on here and now, and not irrational belief, i say let the unknown be unknown. And let the facts become the widespread truth. |
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Although i do think that Christianity is a powerful belief system, and it enriches people's moral conscience as well as their life in general, however it promotes irresponsibility due to people dictating their own interpretations of the bible. Although this is just from my experiences of dealing with people who claim to be christians. There was a debate about the prophecies, with a Mark Brown and some rabbi, a very good debate between a zionist jew and a messianic jew. |
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i made this thread to give my thoughts on where my country is at, where it may be headed, where we went wrong. the palin thing, and knowing europe's perception of "christian republican america" is kind of what inspired it. i made a tricksy way of showing that i'm not really lined up with all that, and then showed some prophetic scripture that may very well apply to our current conquests. in regards to reading skeptical books or articles, there are some things you should probably know about me. back in the day of 96-97 i went on infidels.org a lot and read up. i would go onto irc efnet in channels like #bible and troll all the time, copying and pasting stuff from there and heckling those people to death. when that got boring we would take our botnet and pingflood the crap out of them and nicksplit in and take over the channel. i was all into danzig and industrial music, hated religion, thought it was stupid. i still like some industrial (and even still some misfits) but what i mean is i was focused on the anti god anti establishment kind of ideas. my grandparents, whom i spent my teen years with, were methodist and my grandfather a freemason. i was expected to go to church on christmas eve and easter sunday, but that is about it. neither of my parents are very religious at all. no sir i am of the "born again" type. in fact, you remember tibbar. well a mutual friend of ours i guess had talked to him a few times, and he got convicted and went down to the river. then they started asking me some questions, what do you think about God and all this. well i did not want to hear it, and argued and went back to all my infidels ammo and we went around. it would keep coming up, tho, until one day it was just like a switch went off. when i finally decided in my mind that i believed, this sensation and rush just came over me and i welled up inside with all these profound thoughts and emotions. while it does ebb and flow, ever since then i have this presence that feels centered in my solar plexus, |
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sometimes it is barely noticeable and other times it is like being in the full presence of the holy of holies and quite overbearing. i did not have this before my conversion at any point in my life, and now i do. while i accept that experience is notoriously unreliable, this is just one of many things that testify to me that what i have is real. here is the thing, tho. i know you know enough about all of this to understand that i can't prove anything, nor is it about proving anything. if God wanted to prove it He would just lift the veil and be like sup. of course the whole power behind it is faith. also, while i may not like it, i also have to accept that the concept of election is not just a calvinist teaching, but a biblical one (though it is taught side by side with choice and accountability). there is no truly free will, and it is a bound by one or bound by the other kind of situation. all i ask is this, remember what i said. if things start to happen in any way like what was proposed in this thread, just remember and think more about it. i am just tossing around seed, if it lands on fertile or rocky soil i don't know. just file it away and remember it. |
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copying and pasting stuff from there and heckling those people to death You were not a thinker. I don't respect this. It seems now you are doing the same thing for the other team. I don't respect a man who won't take the time to articulate his positions in his own words, but rather posts links and wants to play "let's you and them fight". The thing about explaining and supporting yourself is, it shows you have assimilated and understood what you're talking about (or not!). And it forces you to confront your ideas and see if they fit together. Also, "Danzig" LOL. while i accept that experience is notoriously unreliable, this is just one of many things that testify to me that what i have is real. Personal experience of the divine is, in my mind, one of the better reasons for faith. It's not dependent on the usual question-begging and abductive arguments, and it sidesteps any questions of whether this or that part of scripture is literal or figurative. It renders doctrine and sect irrelevant. if things start to happen in any way like what was proposed in this thread, just remember and think more about it. i am just tossing around seed, if it lands on fertile or rocky soil i don't know. just file it away and remember it. Honestly, glasse, even if I had a religious experience today and became a believer, I wouldn't toss my brain out the door and interpret scripture like that bibleprohecy.net link. What they're doing there is no different than seeing faces in clouds or a man wearing a cape in a rorschach ink blot. Maybe some stuff matches, maybe it doesn't, and it all depends on selection bias. Why do you have to shit-smear your nice experience of the divine with this occult brain poison? |
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if god wanted us to believe in him, he'd exist |
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i don't care if you think jesus will arrive in a spaceship from pluto or whatever. what matters is what you think and believe about humans here and now. if you don't mind i've got a couple of questions for you: do you think premartial sex is acceptable? do you think being gay is acceptable? what's your stand on abortion? thanks. |
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And, what about premarital gay abortion? |
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that's a tricky one, i got to admit. |
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:D |
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you know i've always been pretty liberal, had gay friends, been against bigotry etc. i had a pretty good gay friend in school who was imo a musical genius. guy had perfect pitch, could play any instrument and he was really cool. i would consider something like that a God given gift. that being said, i'm not going to lie to you about what is written. i think God had a certain plan for sexuality for living creatures, but i guess he had a lot of plans, didn't he? i think people are born gay, its not just some learned behavior. the bottom line is, whether you are gay or straight, it doesn't matter because all have sinned and fall short God's expectation. if you get right with him, then he comes into your heart and convicts you of what he wants for your life, and what his plan for you is. the gay debate and discussion isn't really my focus or fight. i'll treat any person as an equal. as far as premarital sex, i think a christian is expected to wait and have one partner. for the world at large, i don't agree with this idea that teaching safe sex is enabling sin and the only thing we should be teaching is abstinence. people are going to have sex, and i'd rather see them, teens especially, using a condom than having unwanted pregnancies that lead to dropping out of school, abortion, and any other problem it leads to. for abortion, i don't think it should just be a casual form of contraception. if the mother's life is in danger, or there is some other special circumstance like rape then perhaps. it certainly needs to be more regulated with more restrictions in place. |
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argh all that wasn't supposed to be bold, oh well. |
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i guess the only thing i feel moved to say is to avoid promiscuity. |
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That's easy for you to say. |
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I don't see why God is so angry about whose and how many orifices I put my penis into. |
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"if the mother's life is in danger, or there is some other special circumstance like rape then perhaps. " How kind of you. |
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i'm finding this all pretty bizarre |
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I don't think anyone can honestly say what "God's" plan is. Science explains everything surrounding sexuality and why it happens and is recognized from birth. The only thing Science doesn't explain is why sexuality is such an issue in society, and you can hold most religious people responsible for that one. The thing with talking about religion is, you have to decide whether you want to sacrifice your ability to think rationaly/logically or if you'd rather buy into something that has been fabricated by humans , not "god", since clay tablets. Being from America, and being male, at a young age (which i still am) It's all about being accepted by your elders/peers, not about what you actually believe to be true, or what you educate yourself in. Most adults would rather stay ignorant to things beyond their immediate control because I don't know, it doesn't seem useful to be educated? I'm trying to dig deeper here, through rationalizing things. I think abortion is such a convoluted issue at every turn, but i do feel that it's a woman's right to have control over her own body, but being raped and having to deal with that is up to the individual, that's why rape/abortion cases should be handled individually and it shouldn't be legislative. |
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I missed the meeting in which the X in XLT was changed into "Christ." |
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look, don't take me for some guy who is just spouting off and has no connection to the issue. i wasn't sure i'd make this public, but when my wife and i were early in our marriage we had some rocky times. we ended up separating for a while when she was pregnant. she had an abortion. it tore me up and i was devastated. after a while she came and sat on my porch and waited for me to come home from work. we talked, she was sorry and wanted to come back. i ended up forgiving her, even though some in my family didn't think i should have, i did. here is the thing, had i had some rights as the father, i might know my son or daughter today. i might have been able to do something about it. but no, it is the woman's body and the man is just the fing sperm donor. it is a real person inside there. it feels pain, and it dies. sorry but i suppose i am a little biased on this particular issue. |
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You don't seem like you're biased, but how you experienced abortion personally is different from a victim of rape who doesn't want to bear the child. You're right, you obviously both decided to have sex without protection and have the baby, so both of you should have a say in the matter. That's a terrible loss, my sympathies. |
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it's ok, it was so long ago. we've both moved on, and are even trying to have a baby. |
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It doesn't sound like you've moved on but good luck anyway. |
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Glasse how you liking the snow? |
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I'm so sorry, glasse. That sounds like a horrific experience all around. Best wishes for happy times ahead. |
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However I still fully support a woman's right to choose. |
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To sum up this threadÑ I used to like NIN and Danzig and hackzor bible chat rooms then Tibbar got convicted (?) and I had a funny feeling in my stomach and now I like jesus things. |
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america is awesome. you can't make an omlette without breaking some (third world) eggs |
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Ha ha oh wow I misread that post, I thought it was something about a mutual friend who went to prison and converted them. glasse, you let tibbar convince you that God made a talking snake make a lady eat some fruit so he could later have sex with a different lady so he could come to earth in a body so he could get nailed to a stick to save people from the talking snake? You let tibbar talk you into that? You let a guy with the IQ of a spork convert you, and the best you could do was parrot something you read on the internet? You're mentally inert. This is a tug of war for a dead weight. I'm letting go of my end. Sorry to have bothered you. |
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yep, that is exactly what happened. no sure what you mean tug of war, you didn't really do anything but maybe provide a few insults. Um, i'm rubber you're glue..? at least i provided a link you just told me that there are skeptical articles out there. i guess you recommended a book. i don't think i really parroted something i read. i guess for sake of brevity i provided an outline in the actual post, with cross references that should have showed i researched what i was posting. should i have written an entire essay for you in a post on xltronic? i could give an exposition on how i think the article is right by showing what is wrong with it, as well as write something on the hebrew word nachash which means serpent and also shining one, and i could explain how something can be literal but also figurative. you are probably right though. i probably shouldn't cast my pearls before, well, people who would rather trample them then consider any possibility of them being true. thanks for the earlier condolences though. |
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i want you all to take a step back, every one of you, and look at this thread, and what you have all been saying.. and please realize how retarded it is. stop. none of you have proof. you are all believers of a faith. there is no proof that christianity is wrong and there is no proof that god exists or does not exist that will change any of your minds. so save yourself some irritation and stop.. |
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I like you, glasse, I think you're a good guy. But I have utter contempt for your superstitions. ^_^ I do think you should read books. You should read lots of them. Start with Genealogy of Morals by Friedrich Nietzsche. |
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I want to put your dick in a rolltop desk and close it real fast. |
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Relax guys for heaven's sake! God loves us ALL! As Colbert : "everyone has a right to their own religion. Be it hindu, jewish or muslim. There are infinite paths to accepting jesus christ as your personal saviour". |
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Honestly the guy has balls. |
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Nietzsche's too easy, maybe I'll start with Dostoyevsky (see how tricksy I am) You should take a look at William Branham. |
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actually scratch Branham not sure what I think of him yet. His visions re America were interesting tho, and also he supposedly had visions of Hitler and Mussolini in 1933.. just not sure on everything.. |
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Trust me, you need easy. ;-) |
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I was going to let this thread alone. In fact I had pretty much been finished with this on this site. Some new information has come to light, and since I said to watch for the above to happen I feel a bit obligated to correct myself. While I feel America's invasion of Iraq, the surge in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the probable war with Iran are related to all of this, something wasn't quite sitting right. What didn't feel right was that it says that the little horn will arise in the latter part of their reign, meaning the four divisions. Now there was a pretty signifigant period of time between the death of Alexander the Great, the division of Macedonia into the quandrant empires, and the rise of Antiochus IV. Judging by the prophetic clock, even if there is economic collapse and civil war in America, and even if the Union were divided up like Prof. Panarin has predicted, there just doesn't seem to be enough time for there to be a latter period. There is another western empire that was once much larger and far reaching than it is today. While my history is still rather fuzzy in understanding, it seems there is a relationship between the family of this empire, and that of Greece. This empire did also invade and had interests in the areas of modern Media and Persia. The economic drains of war in the last century took their toll on this empire, and it slowly broke up and dissolved. It, too, now exists as four seperate divisions, and has so for enough time to be a better fit. It is out of one of these divisions that the last little horn will arise. The very antichrist of the end of days. Indeed, this man has already declared that he is worthy to accept earthly worship, has received power from the dragon, and his coat of arms matches the description given in the final holy book. This is my last post in this thread, promise. |
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so any response is useless then. Awesome, great discussion. May the Antichrist eat your soul out of your nostrils. |
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Glasse you are searching for your own demise. |
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Don't fuck off yet! Who are you talking about? Rome, the period of the tetrarchy, the pope? Who or what is the dragon? This was just getting interesting. :-( |
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It really is appalling. I honestly think Prince Andrew is more actively Demonic than poor old Charles. |
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