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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-19 14:35 [#00072158] | |||||||||
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What dou think about them? I'm listening to Zero, I forgot how much I liked them. I loved their big double album, Mellon Collie and the whatever. |
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Jarworski from Wales on 2002-01-19 14:36 [#00072159] | |||||||||
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-19 14:50 [#00072166] | |||||||||
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I appreciate your direct-ness. |
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Caustic Twin on 2002-01-19 14:51 [#00072167] | |||||||||
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Ophecks dude, you gotting be 12 or 13, or you are totally blind to the fact that you have no taste. Next, you are going to say that you really like Pearl Jam. Shoot up some heroin and OD, all will be better. I'll say bye to your Mom for ya. She likes my curved sausage poking into her moist places. You know you like it bitch. |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-19 15:00 [#00072168] | |||||||||
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Fuck you, you unintelligent elitist fuck. I don't listen to them anymore. I just have an MP3, and I thought I'd relieve my 14-15 years. Idiot. Even if I did listen to them, I don't see any fault in being into SP, they're not that bad at all. And be funnier when you're trolling, some of these guys make me laugh out loud. And you're too god damned ugly to have a chance with my mom, sorry! |
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Caustic Twin on 2002-01-19 15:41 [#00072173] | |||||||||
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Well, it was dark in that roadside bathroom, but your momma liked it all the same. You know Opcheks, you outta hook up with Reflex guy, you guys could be brothers or something. Or maybe you could get "involved", if you know what I man, because there is nothing wrong with that, just use a condom. |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-19 15:42 [#00072176] | |||||||||
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never really liked the pumpkins much myself... a couple of their new songs I liked... |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-19 15:59 [#00072187] | |||||||||
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Caustic Twin, I commend your attempts at humor. Keep pluggin' away at it, big guy, someday you'll make a funny! |
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Caustic Twin on 2002-01-19 16:04 [#00072191] | |||||||||
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I just think it is funny, guys like Opchecks are like Ralph wiggum on the web, "My cats breath smells like cat food", "I like cats", "I like Smashing Pumpkins, do you?" Why? Did anybody ask? Is there any interesting story or insight you have to add? And, of course, they are checking back 50 times a day to see who wants to be their web-friend. |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-19 16:12 [#00072194] | |||||||||
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HA!!! Someone's got a vendetta against me!!!! Fess up you coward, who are you? |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-19 16:12 [#00072195] | |||||||||
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BTW, I love my pussy cat. |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-19 16:15 [#00072200] | |||||||||
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It's just so easy to make fun of me under an alias, isn't it? |
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Neo-arshole shit ass fuck shit bitch fuck on 2002-01-19 16:15 [#00072201] | |||||||||
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i am quite fond of the pumpkins...so i guess im 4? |
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Caserol Joe the Chubby from Minneappleseed on 2002-01-19 17:36 [#00072238] | |||||||||
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It's always great to watch those who criticize others and get involved where they don't belong, because if you read their words carefully, you reealize that everything they say is actually directed towards themselves. CTwin just needs to hear this trash and really is crying out for help. We're there for ya! It's OK, I promise. It'll be alright, you have my word ;) |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-19 18:46 [#00072265] | |||||||||
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I just want to know who this guy is and why he hates me. Seriously, I'm very intruiged... |
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Ironlung from the toy department on 2002-01-19 19:21 [#00072277] | |||||||||
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I dont hate ya Ophecks....Or the Pumpkins.... Gish rulez..... "Be more funny when your trolling"....thats Classic:) |
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Neo-arshole shit ass fuck shit bitch fuck on 2002-01-19 21:13 [#00072298] | |||||||||
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hahaha gish is great... many songs should ave been giant hits on there...really deserved mainstream play seriously though,i think the pumpkins are one of the few rock bands that actually made the radio listenable in the mid 90's..billy corgan is an unexplainably good songwriter. iha ain't bad either. anyone remember obscured from pisces iscariot? so chill out,reminds me of the beach. |
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AMinal from toronto, canada on 2002-01-19 21:22 [#00072301] | |||||||||
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i sort of think sp suck.. but i dont hate u for it ..i myself am a big oasis fan.. (there! i admitted it!) although i hardly ever listen to them anymore.. now that i listen to electronica i find them quite boring.. but i would still go see them in concert |
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Neo-arshole shit ass fuck shit bitch fuck on 2002-01-19 21:25 [#00072304] | |||||||||
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oasis is okay..at least what ive heard(whats the story...) so i guess thats not saying much. |
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corn grower from Iowa on 2002-01-19 22:35 [#00072315] | |||||||||
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I saw them live when I was in eighth grade with a group of friends, and it was actually one of the greatest live shows I've seen. They played the songs in the perfect order, and Corgan gave it his all. It was only the third live concert I'de seen at the time (with a major act that is), but it left a lasting impression on me. Mellon Collie and the Infinite sadness is still a great album. |
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beef fog on 2002-01-19 22:36 [#00072316] | |||||||||
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smashing pumpkins are neat. |
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corn grower from Iowa on 2002-01-19 22:38 [#00072317] | |||||||||
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Sure, its not as good now as it was at that age, but that album really helped me get through one of the toughest times in my life. One of my all time favorites. |
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BlatantEcho on 2002-01-19 23:11 [#00072324] | |||||||||
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The best part of the pumpkins was how many people didn't understand them, and hated them for it. SP was easily one of the most musically intricate and deep bands of the 90s. Corgan weaved way to much of his heart into the grunge era and got burned for it. Few drumers can hold a candle to Jimmy. With the type of people who listen to aphex, you think they would be able to get past disliking corgans voice and recognize the richard like genius in all SP albums. Don't have to like them, but jeezus, don't try to pass them off as a blink 182 or something. Maybe all Apehx fans aren't as educated as i thought. |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-19 23:43 [#00072332] | |||||||||
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they're not. remember when aphextwin.org posted that fake SP tribute album tracklisting in their news section? lead off track was "the everlasting gaze (instrumental interpretation)" by aphex twin. |
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Quoth from Lincoln on 2002-01-19 23:52 [#00072336] | |||||||||
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I am a HUGE Smashing Pumpkins fan. Hah, "bad taste"??? WTF! I like it b/c it isn't so "electronic" all the time. Siamese Dream makes my ears bleed when I put it on my headphones. OUCH :( |
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Jarworski from Wales on 2002-01-19 23:53 [#00072338] | |||||||||
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Just cause someone happens to dislike a band, they're uneducated? Hey, maybe you should burn them at the stake cause they don't recognise Tonight Tonight's soaring melodies, or rape their mother cause Zero is just soooo metal, or smash their kids' skulls in with a brick cause you think Today is so beautiful... fucking prick |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-20 00:05 [#00072343] | |||||||||
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I'm listening to MCATISadness right now, for the first time since 97 or 98, and I am VERY impressed... really pretty stuff, and really HARD stuff. Very eclectic, they was. I also have Siamese Dream, which is pretty generic, but solid. Adore is the only other SP I have, and I've never really gotten into that one. Machina, I haven't heard... I really should... but Mellon Collie is a fantastic album. |
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Quoth from Lincoln on 2002-01-20 00:17 [#00072346] | |||||||||
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who was that reply directed to, Jarwoski? |
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BlatantEcho on 2002-01-20 00:19 [#00072347] | |||||||||
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People who listen to Aphex are usually rather educated when it comes to understanding "good" music. I don't care if you don't like SP, but saying they "suck" is an uneducated statment. Most Apehx fans are capable of much more coherent thought, but thanx for calling me a dickhead all the same. |
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nancykitten on 2002-01-20 00:27 [#00072351] | |||||||||
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always loved the pumpkins. |
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corn grower from Iowa on 2002-01-20 00:49 [#00072355] | |||||||||
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That time of the month Jarworski? |
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the kize from glasgow on 2002-01-20 01:37 [#00072369] | |||||||||
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why are you here? |
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Jarworski from Wales on 2002-01-20 02:17 [#00072373] | |||||||||
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All art's merit IMHO is in the eye of the beholder I try to never tell anyone that something is shit I always try and say that "I think" or "In my opinion" it's shit One man's gold is another man's gumph :o) |
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damion on 2002-01-20 02:23 [#00072375] | |||||||||
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my favourite rock band and all you who dont understand can listen to there song fuck you |
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damion on 2002-01-20 02:26 [#00072376] | |||||||||
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Neo-arshole yes the song obscured is one of my favourites |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-20 05:48 [#00072399] | |||||||||
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you're a wise man Jarorski or whatever your name is... :) but yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing today... music is good if people like it... if you like something it's good... true art is in the eyes of the beholder... and yes, we all have our own opinions... because we like a type of music doesn't make us uneducated or stupid or anything, it's just our tastes... |
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Xanatos from NYC on 2002-01-20 06:55 [#00072416] | |||||||||
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Smashing Pumpkins are amazing, they are what I listened to before I got into electronic music, but I still love them. My favorite band ever. |
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fjuttus maximus a good friend in rome from romeuskukusruttus on 2002-01-20 17:01 [#00072556] | |||||||||
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Of all the major alternative rock bands of the early '90s, the Smashing Pumpkins were the group least influenced by traditional underground rock. Lead guitarist/songwriter Billy Corgan fashioned an amalgam of progressive rock, heavy metal, goth rock, psychedelia, and dream pop, creating a layered, powerful sound driven by swirling, distorted guitars. Corgan was wise enough to exploit his angst-ridden lyrics, yet he never shied away from rock star posturing, even if he did cloak it in allegedly ironic gestures. In fact, the Smashing Pumpkins became the model for alternative rock success — Nirvana was too destructive and Pearl Jam shunned success. The Pumpkins, on the other hand, knew how to play the game, signing to a major-subsidized indie for underground credibility and moving to the major in time to make the group a multi-platinum act. And when the group did achieve mass success with 1993's Siamese Dream, they went a long way to legitimize heavy metal and orchestrated prog rock, helping move alternative rock even closer to '70s AOR, especially in the eyes of radio programmers and mainstream audiences. Unlike many of their contemporaries, the Pumpkins were able to withstand many internal problems and keep selling records, emerging as the longest-lasting and most successful alternative band of the early '90s. The son of a jazz guitarist, Billy Corgan grew up in a Chicago suburb, leaving home at the age of 19 to move to Florida with his fledgling goth metal band, the Marked. After the band failed down South, he returned to Chicago around 1988, where he began working at a used-record store. At the shop he met James Iha (guitar), a graphic arts student at Loyola University, and the two began collaborating, performing and recording songs with a drum machine. Corgan met D'Arcy Wretzky at a club show; after arguing about the merits of the Dan Reed Network, the two became friends and she joined the group as a bassist. Soon, the band, who named themselves the Smashing Pumpkins, had gained a dedicated local following, including the head of a local club who booked them to open for Jane's Addiction. Before the pivotal concert, the band hired Jimmy Chamberlin, a former jazz musician, as their full-time drummer. In 1990, the Smashing Pumpkins released their debut single, "I Am One," on the local Chicago label Limited Potential. The single quickly sold out, and in December, the band released "Tristessa" on Sub Pop. By this point, the Smashing Pumpkins had become the subject of a hot bidding war, and the group latched on to a clever way to move to a major label without losing indie credibility. They signed to Virgin Records, yet it was decided that the group's debut would be released on the Virgin subsidiary Caroline, then the band would move to the majors. The strategy worked; Gish, a majestic mix of Black Sabbath and dream pop produced by Butch Vig, became a huge college and modern rock hit upon its spring 1991 release. While it earned a large audience, many indie rock fans began to snipe at the Smashing Pumpkins, accusing them of being careerists. Such criticism did the band no harm and they embarked on an extensive supporting tour for Gish, which lasted over a year and included opening slots for Red Hot Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam. During the Gish tour, tensions between bandmembers began to escalate, as Iha and D'Arcy, who had been lovers, went through a messy breakup, Chamberlin became addicted to drugs and alcohol, and Corgan entered a heavy depression. These tensions hadn't been resolved by the time the group entered the studio with Vig to record their second album. Toward the beginning of the sessions, the Pumpkins were given significant exposure through the inclusion of "Drown" on the Singles soundtrack in the summer of 1992. As the sessions progressed, Corgan relieved himself of his depression by working heavily — not only did he write a surplus of songs, he played nearly all of the guitars and bass on each recording, which meant that its release was delayed several times. The resulting album, Siamese Dream, was an immaculate production owing much to Queen, yet it was embraced by critics upon its July 1993 release. Siamese Dream became a blockbuster, debuting at number ten on the charts and establishing the group as stars. "Cherub Rock," the first single, was a modern rock hit, yet it was "Today" and the acoustic "Disarm" that sent the album into the stratosphere, as well as the group's relentless touring. The Smashing Pumpkins became the headliners of Lollapalooza 1994, and following the tour's completion, the band went back into the studio to record a new album that Corgan had already claimed would be a double-disc set. To tide fans over until the new album, the Pumpkins released the B-sides and rarities album Pisces Iscariot in October of 1994. Working with producers Flood and Alan Moulder, the Smashing Pumpkins recorded as a full band for their third album, which turned out to be, as Corgan predicted, a double-disc set called Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Although many observers were skeptical about whether a double-disc set, especially one so ridiculously named, would be a commercial success, Mellon Collie became an even bigger hit than Siamese Dream, debuting at number one on the charts. On the strength of the singles "Bullet With Butterfly Wings," "1979," "Zero," and "Tonight, Tonight," it would sell over four million copies in the U.S., eventually being certified platinum over eight times (each disc in the set counted separately toward certification). The Pumpkins had graduated to stadium shows for the Mellon Collie tour, and the band was at the peak of their popularity when things began to go wrong again. On July 12, prior to two shows at Madison Square Garden, the group's touring keyboardist, Jonathan Melvoin, died from a heroin overdose; he was with Jimmy Chamberlin, who survived his overdose. In the wake of the tragedy, the remaining Pumpkins fired Chamberlin and spent two months on hiatus as they recovered and searched for a new drummer. Early in August, they announced that Filter member Matt Walker would be their touring drummer, and Dennis Flemion, a member of the Frogs, would be their touring keyboardist for the remainder of the year. They returned to the stage at the end of August and spent the next five months on tour. During this time, Corgan contributed some music to Ron Howard's Ransom. Early in 1997, once the Pumpkins left the road, Iha and D'Arcy launched Scratchie Records, a subsidiary of Mercury Records. In the spring, the Smashing Pumpkins recorded two songs for the soundtrack for Batman & Robin. Iha's solo debut, Let It Come Down, appeared in early 1998; Adore, the new Smashing Pumpkins LP, followed a few months later to disappointing sales and reviews. Chamberlin returned to the group and D'Arcy exited prior to the early-2000 release of MACHINA: The Machines of God. Several months later, Corgan announced his intentions to dissolve the band before the year was out. With former Hole bassist Melissa Auf Der Maur replacing D'Arcy, the band launched their farewell tour in 2000. Fans of the band received one last treat when Corgan and company worked feverishly to finish off tracks that were left over from the MACHINA sessions. Surprisingly, Virgin Records balked at the idea of releasing the 25-track set so close in time to their previous album, so the band put the entire album (going by the official title of Machina II: The Friends and Enemies of Modern Music) on the Internet for fans to download for free. On December 2 of the same year, the Pumpkins played a mammoth final show at Chicago's Metro (also the venue at which the group played their first show back in 1988), before officially calling it quits. But the former members of the band didn't wait long before carrying on with other projects — Corgan spent the summer of 2001 playing guitar with New Order on select concert dates, and later in the year, unveiled his new band, Zwan, including Chamberlin on drums (as well as former Chavez guitarist Matt Sweeney and bassist Skullfisher). The other two former Pumpkins, Iha and Auf Der Maur, began putting together an alt-rock supergroup dubbed the Virgins, which may include such big names as Ryan Adams, former-Lemonhead Even Dando, and former-D Generation leader Jesse Malin. The same year, a pair of postmortem Pumpkins collections were issued for the holiday season — a double-disc collection and a DVD both called Greatest Hits... but that's only IMHO. |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-20 18:54 [#00072593] | |||||||||
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Wow... |
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Jarworski from Wales on 2002-01-20 19:18 [#00072606] | |||||||||
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That's not an opinion, that's the facts! |
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Netlon Sentinel from yurp on 2002-01-23 22:08 [#00074220] | |||||||||
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omg, a smashing pumpkins topic. i have to reply they ruled. i saw them 6 times, last time i travelled to london from holland. they are my biggest influence when it comes to guitar playing. the good thing about them was (ok, it's a cliche) they played soft and hard songs. at their concerts they used to play almost death metal at times. especially their 'grunge' period (siamese dream and melloncolliet) is unforgetable. they were the last good rockband, imo. |
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kbd on 2002-01-23 22:42 [#00074228] | |||||||||
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I tuned out after "Disarm." After Corgan became a whingy pop star. |
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I want to kill caustic twin so bad...... anyway, SP is (were) friggin' awesome. anyone who thinks SP is for 14 year olds needs to try listening to SP. the level of sophistication in tracks like 'Pug' from Adore is incredible. |
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Caustic Twin is an arrogant fuck...not very open minded to different sounds As for Smashing Pumpkins as said a million time they are amazing. I have adore...machina and machina II good stuff |
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I like SP a lot, I have a "best of" CD I made in my car with me at all times. It may not get a lot of playtime, but it's there just in case. |
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me too! |
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They are, IMO, one of the the greatest bands to emerge from the 'grunge' period And god DAMN this topic is old. |
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my favourite band if you have adore give it another listen its there best cd imo |
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Smashing Pumpkins kick ass! I have all of their albums except Machina: Machines of God My favorite album is prolly Siamese Dream. Great band they are. |
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Wow, I remember this, seems like much longer that six months ago... and Smashing Pumpkins are still one of my favorites, Mellon Collie is one of my 'deserted island' discs |
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