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Its an article in nature you might find interesting. Its about "Measuring the rhythmicity of music". |
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techno is rhymically simple? me thinks they havent listened to the might squarepusher |
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thats assuming that their deffenition of techno is any electronic music (for which many people it is) |
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complexity, in such intangible terms as rhythm, is such a construct. only because we tend to think in 4/4 terms because it's what we're used to, or because we count on a base 10 scale because we have 10 fingers. rhythm, including "complex" (what we're not accustomed to) rhythm is just the passing of time while our limited capacities try to measure/organize/understand it. your 4/4 house beat is the same thing as snares throwing pots and pans down the stairs... just the passing of time, that's all. if you're a drummer and you become familiar with a particular signature, it's the same difference as every other signature, as long as you feel the pulsing of nature deep within your ballsack and you're not thinking about it. |
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was that a chicken talking? |
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Can someone recommend me some gamelan? |
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i hereby recommend you some gamelan *poof* |
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for more rhythmic weirdness check the master musicians of jajouka. for gamelan, check the albums "bali" and "music from the morning of the world," which are on nonesuch records. The second recording has better tracks but was recorded in the late sixties so the sound isn't as rich. for one track, check "golden rain (hudjan mas)" from mftmotw, which is in the style called gamelan kebyar, high contrast with furious explosive passages. both of these albums also have other forms of balinese music besides gamelan. gamelan orchestras of different styles are also played in other countries. |
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i should say, i'm not as familiar with javanese gamelan, which i believe is usually a more stately, slower style. also, i only own recordings of balinese style, so that's what i've recommended. |
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master musicians seconded here, that is some complex shit. also, when referring to techno, i'm sure that the authors of the article were not familiar with the type of music discussed here. the first three things that come to my mind that prove that article just plain wrong if you're referring to are BoC, Ae, and Snares. Nearly all aphex is in 4/4. I admire Boc foremost out of the trio I've mentioned, because the songs with odd timesigs are usually the short melodic ones that serve as interludes. If you listen closely, the metres are odd, but the melody is so well written that it's in no way forced at first listen. Snares is a freak (no disparagement here)... he seems to be one of these folk who's born with a natural comprehension of 7/8 or 13/16 or whatever. When rush do it it seems forced, but Aaron is just a natural. As for ae, rzpkt cos some of it is unscoreable in musical notation (free rhythm) especially confield and draft. But they should teach acroyear2 in music college as an effective way of overlaying rhythms. From memory, it's 4/4, 7/8, and 13/8 overlayed. But I might be wrong. What an excellent topic. |
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rhythm is a much greater concept in music than genre. there are complex rhythms in most kinds of music. as well as very simple rhythms in most kinds of music. there are super complex rhythms in some cultures 'folk' music even. like most of africa. or portugal. or cuba. or probably most places. that in mind, its probably important to note that rhythm is simply a distinction of a single musical component. so it would kinda be like saying "the most microtonal harmony" or something similar. |
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african tribal drummers just randomly click on the drum sequencer. they cheat. |
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now let's all go listen to ornette coleman's 'free jazz' - a band in each ear, twice the value. |
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check out victor Gama for a gamelan type feel , but far better. |
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ok now i want to listen to acroyear2. |
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The tear down/build up in the middle of Autechre "Under Boac" from LP5 is masterfull, gives me shivers at high volumes |
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Hip hop Gamelan on Cyclobotnia :) |
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*whacks on acroyear2 |
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.. so whats rhythm then? |
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"This article is available in full to Premium plus subscribers" Can you get it for us? |
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The college I'll be attending in september has a gamelan ensemble, I'll be sure to become a regular in it. I've heard it's pretty complex rhythmically. Lou Harrison has some nice gamelan compositions. Also try Conlcon Nancarrow for some interesting rhythms. |
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Pigeon Street. |
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Great tune.. all 15-odd seconds of it. |
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Reniform puls |
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Xylem Tube 110% |
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FRANK ZAPPA POLYRHYTHMS, KTHXBAI. |
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(why i rate this above all the stuff by afx/squarepusher is that it's played by real musicians... zappa's bands = technically unbelievable) |
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I've always been lead to believe that feel and groove take precidence over complexity, that's probably why I prefer boc to ae. |
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a tad over quantised one feels. |
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4 on the floor, three chords, and the truth. that`s all ye need |
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squarepushers "my fucking sound"s got some gorgeous all-over-the-placeness to it.. seems complex to me it jumps around but makes a sack full of sense |
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Ae normally do their stuff in 4/4. But a lot of it is very complex... I love the way Venetian Snares can make you want to dance to a tune in 7/8 or whatever; at first it appears to be a regular 4/4 tune (well, hardly "regular", but you get me) until you notice after a while you've been bopping your head to some insane time signatures. But overal I admire the crazy rhythms of stuff played by real musicians in a band then electronically created ones. |
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Venetian Snares make you want to dance? I'd like to see that |
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can't wait till his detroit show march 5th im bringing a LOT of nails >: D |
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> can't wait till his detroit show march 5th > im bringing a LOT of nails >: D you bring the nails, i'll bring the blackboard - then Mr.Funk won't have to turn up. |
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i always thought the most complex rythms go to richard devine - definately... sometimes you ears want melt... after that - otto von schirach and of course any merzbow - i mean noise music is kinda complex ? you don't even now the bpm it's played :D |
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yeah i was just listening to come to daddy richard devine mix a minute ago, its horribly wonderful beats |
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yeah im right into gamelan. thats music on a totally different wavelength |
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coltrane? davis? i dunno, something jazz. . . |
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Gamelan is sweet... i'm still trying to find THE gamelan album, thusfar the most interesting one i've come across is Night Music from Bali, which is part of the way cool Sublime Frequencies series, but it is far from strictly gamelan, as it is field recordings of Bali at night and there's more to bali at night than gamelan... Victor Gama has less to do with Gamelan than he has to do with Mbira and the like... wouldn't knock it, but it's not really comparable... lots of mad free jazz drummers out there... but is it really rhythm that they are doing? i am unsure sometimes... either way Elvin Jones, RIP. |
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Sample based music knows no time signatures...especially in terms of breakcore or whatever you want to call it. You just trigger and fuck about with the samples in whatever way sounds good. It's not as though you are composing the beats. |
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i'm not a premium member either but perhaps you can find interesting things here: some papers i've found here you might find interesting: i haven't read any of these. they're just some examples of the things you can find on the web. most of it is probably far too technical to have any practical value. so consider yourself warned |
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the original link (thread starter) used to go to an online article btw. and not to this premium member crap |
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I haven't read those articles yet. But speaking of computers, there is a band called Dr. Nerve who's compositions are computer generated. There is an article on their site: |
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must be LCC! |
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haha |
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after a couple of years of continuous search i've found a link to the original paper Reading the conclusion however, people might be slightly disappointed: Nevertheless, the results reported here—and more importantly, the approach used in obtaining the results— point towards the possibility of objectively analyzing subjectively experienced forms of art. Such an approach may find relevance in the academic study of music, and of art in general. In summary, we have developed a method to study loudness fluctuations in audio signals taken from music. Results obtained using this method show consistent differences between different genres of music. Specifically, dance music and high art music appear at the lower and upper endpoints respectively in the range of observed values of ⟨α⟩, with Rock and Roll, Jazz, and other genres appearing in the middle of the range. |
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