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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 09:23 [#00368750]
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...that I got searched on the way back from Greece on the grounds that I was wearing a communist star t-shirt. Bloody fascists. Really it'd be a pretty ballsy double bluff to attempt a terrorist attack wearing something so blatently political.
Fortunately the fact that I was wearing an expensive jacket and reading an anti-marxist autobiography when they stopped me meant that I wasn't detained for too long...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-28 09:25 [#00368754]
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"random" searches my ass
when i flew, the only people that where "randomly" checked where me, and another guy my age.
We both wore tshirts and had scruffy hair, and facial hair
i hate america sometimes
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 09:26 [#00368755]
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Ha, ha. This is what happens when a right-winger appropriates the symbols of class struggle as a fashion accessory!
Have a good time anyway? And whose biog were you reading then?
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-08-28 09:27 [#00368756]
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hehe .. the communist star/anti-marxist autobiography combo reminds me of Full Metal Jacket: "... something something ... the duality of man..."
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 09:30 [#00368758]
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V. Nabokov's autobiography. I was just reading the part where he's arguing with some english leftist when they stopped me.
Amusingly, the T-shirt was one from Saigon's famous "Apocalypse Now" bar. From the front it just looks like a bright red t-shirt with a yellow communist star on the chest.
Zeus: Yep and on the way into greece I was the only person not asked for their passport, probably because of the fact that addressed the customs officer in Greek and I look slightly greek.
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heptanary
from the place where nobody whants (Spain) on 2002-08-28 09:30 [#00368760]
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I bought my CCCP red jacket yesterday. cool to see ppl staring at you...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 09:34 [#00368761]
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Yeah, where he has that peace symbol pinned to his "Kill Kill Kill" helmet!
Jonesy:
Yep, the holiday was good, a few mishaps, but I got some good snorkelling done.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-08-28 09:39 [#00368763]
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At's the one yeah ..
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 09:45 [#00368768]
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Jonesy will also be pleased to know that the DIV tickets have arrived. I'll email you a map when I find out where exactly the gig is.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 09:46 [#00368769]
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So, Ceri, where are you at really? This side or that side?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 09:50 [#00368771]
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Back in Bristol now.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 09:51 [#00368773]
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No, I meant, are you a leftie or otherwise...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 09:55 [#00368777]
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I see left-right wing (politcally) as a circle rather than a line- past a point they start becoming more and more like each other. Fascism is a form of socialism after all...
I'd say I'm more right wing than left generally, but I dislike such general terms.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-28 09:56 [#00368779]
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im a leftie... but I bat and throw right
oh... THAT kind of leftie....
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 10:03 [#00368788]
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More right wing? In what way?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 10:05 [#00368791]
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He believes we should bring back hanging.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 10:06 [#00368792]
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Only for the proles...
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heptanary
from the place where nobody whants (Spain) on 2002-08-28 10:14 [#00368795]
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lumpenproletariat
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 10:16 [#00368796]
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Oh yeah, hanging never went away- There are still 3/4 hanging offences in the UK under current law. The last set of working gallows is on portsmouth naval dockyard, I think the last hanging was in the mid 70's.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 10:19 [#00368800]
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Uhm, OK...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 10:20 [#00368801]
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I thought it was just treason you could still be hung for???
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Isaac
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-28 10:21 [#00368804]
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Does anyone agree with me that buying clothes advertising, for example Che Guevara or CCCP is a complete paradox?
Its lining the pockets of cheeky capitalist corporations by buying the clothes they sell declaring your support for left-wing causes?
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heptanary
from the place where nobody whants (Spain) on 2002-08-28 10:22 [#00368806]
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Never heard bout fair trade?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 10:23 [#00368807]
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I am against expressing anything with your appearance anyway.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 10:25 [#00368809]
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1. High treason (Regicide, Giving nuke security codes to other countries etc.),
2. Treason in Time of War (Defecting to another army/ giving info to someone we're at war with).
3. Arson on a naval dockyard- Bizarrely, not a death sentence on air force bases or army barracks!
I think there's one more too, but I can't remember it...
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Isaac
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-28 10:25 [#00368810]
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Nothing to do with fair trade. My point is that these companies must be laughing behind the consumers backs as they show thier support for left-wingers by giving money to capitalist companies who simply use an image of a genuine communist for their monetary ends.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 10:32 [#00368814]
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The well known image of Che Guevara is (contrary to popular belief) copyrighted. The photogropher who took it, whilst not making it "public domain" chose not to claim royalties on posters etc. as he was a communist and wanted che's image to spread. The only time he has prohibited its use was when a cuban vodka manufacturer tried to use it on their bottles. He objected on the grounds that che hardly ever drank...
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Isaac
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-28 10:33 [#00368816]
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You can bet your life someone's making money off the back of the countless T-shirts/posters you see
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 10:33 [#00368817]
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Yeah, I know that story too. But anyway, I still hate the idea of appearance expressing anything.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 10:35 [#00368819]
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Yep, it's sad how much you notice people treat you differently when you're dressed smartly compared to when yopu're just wearing jeans & tshirt.
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heptanary
from the place where nobody whants (Spain) on 2002-08-28 10:36 [#00368821]
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I know what u mean, but if I buy used clothes, my money never goes to their hands. And some leftie clothes are not made by corps.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 10:39 [#00368822]
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I always wear shit clothes, cheap, ugly stuff. But that can be a form of expression too. I don't want to express anything with my appearance and because people expect me to, I confuse them most of the time as I act very differently to how I'm dressed.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 10:40 [#00368823]
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I have a friend who's g/f is from Czechoslovakia and gets really pissed at people here wearing soviet-style clothing as fashion. Fair enough.
As for the image of Che, its come to symbolise nothing. Its just another empty icon sold as fashion. Anything and everything can be sold for profit.
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heptanary
from the place where nobody whants (Spain) on 2002-08-28 10:41 [#00368826]
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There are two kinds of clothes: Cheap and Shit
PPL spendin their money in that kinda stuff is so so sad...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 10:42 [#00368827]
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That's right. BTW, what happened to all those avatars, I see a lot of people here have no avatars and not even that "no photo available" sign.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 10:42 [#00368828]
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I find that lots of lefty "fair trade" clothes (like the ones made out of hemp) are itchy, ill tailored and often only single sticked and as such not very durable. If there was a fair trade brand of quality "smart" shirts etc. I'd buy them, but I guess not enough office workers care about that sort of thing.
By way of comparison, fair trade food is often of better quality than "corporate food" due to the simplicity & quality of the ingredients rather than stacks of chemicals.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 10:44 [#00368831]
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They are shunning the use of icons, unlike you and me. We should practice what we preach!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 10:47 [#00368832]
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single sticked = single stiched (good quality clothes are double or treble stiched).
I don't like expensive clothes- just durable well made easy to iron ones.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 10:49 [#00368834]
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Clothing is one thing. Aria Giovanni is another!!!
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 11:00 [#00368844]
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Simulacrum!
Fair Trade clothes are for commie fags. I like to smell the sweat of Third World labour on my clothes. It fills me with a wondorous sense of power and makes my dick hard.
"I am the face of fashion in Soho Square, My tie is Paul Smith or Gaultier"
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 11:02 [#00368847]
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Haha, whose quote is that?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 11:03 [#00368849]
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Not telling!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 11:05 [#00368853]
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What's wrong with buying clothes from small, family owned italian tailors? Good clothes and you're not exploiting sweat shop labour...
My gf made her own tailored trousers a few weeks ago. They fit her far better than stuff you buy in shops. Perhaps textile technology (aka sewing) should be given more emphasis in schools?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 11:08 [#00368856]
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I agree with that Ceri. Completely. Anything that doesn't support multinational capitalism is good in my book.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 11:15 [#00368862]
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I'm glad to see you've found a woman who can make necessary adjustments to your clothes. There are too few young women about these days with good old fashioned homemaking skills. You've got a beaut there Ceri; hang on to her. My g/f's has been filled with lesbo femmy crap and alas, there's no going back.
Meho: its the wonderfully lyrical Manic Street Prechers; your faves!!!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 11:18 [#00368866]
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She irons my shirts too (provided I do the dishes).
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-28 11:21 [#00368868]
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DO THE BLOODY DISHES!!!??? Tsk, tsk. You're not very right wing are you? Do you wear the marigolds?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-08-28 11:22 [#00368871]
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Ah, the MSP, I might have guessed...
My woman requires me to do the dishes as she hates to do it.. Nothing wrong with it, providing she still acts as my punchbag.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-28 11:23 [#00368873]
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What're marigolds? Are they dish washing gloves?
If so, no I don't wear them. They're for women. I let my hands burn in the scalding water, it makes me feel superior ;)
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Peter File
from the future!!! Ooooh chase me! on 2002-08-28 11:31 [#00368885]
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Ceri: lookadis
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