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Sure alot of my pals like the music I like, but generally why do we see such tripe on the charts and so on? England is the land of the greatest music and yet Britney Spears tops the charts all the time...wtf is wrong with everyone, why can't more people appreciate good music and genres such as idm and goa trance and so on...not that I really care, it's just strange. |
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the bell shaped curve. Anthropology tells us that the most amount of people have to be into the most average stuff. |
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Unfortunately AE, the vast majority of the general public are morons. Happy to walk about in a daze listening to whatever talentless teenager has won the latest corporate sponsored TV talent show and got a record deal. You can't legislate for morons. |
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It's a form of mind control. If music is too eccentric people will wake up from their dream state. You see once you think past four beats to the bar your mind can decode other equations with much more ease. Also EMI and BMI have the most money and want to make the most money, So if you check all your pop CD's most of the ones on the Radio will have either BMI or EMI on, it may differ in other countries. Most people don't even know other music exists and the way things are set up (I'm indicating pecking order here) you are seen as sad and an outcast if you listen to anything but the normal. So play an Aphex track to a trendy and he will be trained to insult you. Stops another 60's y'see. Just the same reason drugs are given a bad name when most of the time they are safer then people claim. We are thru the looking glass here people... ^o.o^ |
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The people I know who 'do' love the music I like (crazy music I guess) are a lot more creative and interesting to be around too...it's like we're a special breed, we should claim an island and have it just for crazy music lovers! It could be called 'Cramusers Island'! ahaha, lets reach for that mountain |
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The 'special breed' idea and having our own place idea come up a lot in my music discussions. I always thought that music has the power to decode your mind in different ways. Aphex breaks you out of the norm and so do others. Pop idol however helps you sink into house debt, car dept, work and 'normal' life. All could be bull shit but have a little gander and ponder. Either way music affects your mind a lot. |
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But, fuck it. It's nice to pat each other on the back and congratulate each other for our good taste, but fuck it, I don't consider my taste to be better than someone who's into linkin park/ britney etc.... It's elitist. |
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Yes. But still alternative. The moment someone outcasts me for listening to 'Shite Music' I can outcast them for confirming to a standard. If they like it and think that music is good in their minds it's good and no more can be said. Shame their world of music is controlled for profit and universal standards. |
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Brittneys got what Ae dont..unless they are willing to undergo several painful intrusive life altering surgeries..and even then... |
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I agree. But we were discussing tastes, aesthetics. AYou have as much kitsch within electronic/ IDM scene as anywhere. |
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Mc Donald's tastes like shit. I know, I have good taste. I hope you all do to. Say no to shite food. |
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I guess what AE_King means then is that pop music is the fast food of music. |
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I can't be arsed slating anyone for their musical tastes, I just satisfy myself with the FACT that, say a Robbie Williams fan is simply mentally deluded into thinking he is good (he is the scum of the Earth) and lacks the willpower to disagree with the bombardment of advertising pressure exerted by the record companies/tabloids. Weakminded fools. |
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yeah well popular music has to be "easy" to listen to... because it is played everywhere. In supermarkets, at my work, on the radio when other people are working etc... I don't think people would be just as relaxed in the supermarket if they played some squarepusher or afx there ;-) Plus you can instantly hum along with most pop-music the first time you hear it... and after 3 more times you'll probably be singing along to the lyrics as well. On the other hand when i listen to my music... it takes lots of time to get used to it before i really start to appreciate it... which is probably why it will never become really popular. And for as far as IDM goes... the lack of lyrics is probably an important factor why it will never be #1 in the charts. I reckon if richard would paste some catchy female vocals over some of his songs, he'd get played ALOT more (i'm happy he doesn't do this though :-D). |
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Yeah, yeah, I hear you. However, most of what we think is so fucking great within IDM is also trash. Few are truly great. |
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Oh YeaYeah. I hear you. Some people take the piss. |
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"I reckon if richard would paste some catchy female vocals over some of his songs..." Bleh, He told Madonna to piss off yes? :) That was fking sweet. }:) |
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You've got to speed it up And then you've got to slow it down 'Cos if you believe that a love can hit the top You've got to play around And soon you will find That there comes a time For making your mind up |
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*imagines Ae played at the supermarket* where isle are the soda bombs kept please? |
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all these pop whores are just marketed too more.. you see shit for britney spears everywhere and so on,.. besides if every asshole started listening to afx it would kill it for us real fans.. |
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whoa this is a good conversation. |
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'which' isle %o |
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cliché, it's all cliché my friend, the whole pop scene. |
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The simpleton masses will listen to whatever they're told to. Whatever the record labels are pushing the most will more often than not get to number1. They're all sheep, and someone should lead them off a huge spike-filled precipice |
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Yes Bonk made a very very good point there. Once it's popular you don't feel really part of it any more. it's not your special thing and everyone talks about it. boring. |
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yeah us 'real' fans have been proven to be inherently smarter |
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he did? That is sweet :-p madonna is a good example of someone who has made "difficult" dance music into a format a wide audience can enjoy. (and actually i think some song of her last 2 albums sound pretty good). But still i feel it is a shame how these things go... something truly beautiful and unique is made into regular popmusic... just as long as until what was once beautiful becomes boring. A few days ago i saw a video by the bombfunk MC's called... eh... live your life? or love your life? i can't remember. It sounded like it was made up out of the same sounds go plastic is made of, only much more basic and simple (and boring) and with catchy vocals over it... it pissed me off :-p |
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popular music = maybe a part of original music. IDM, electronic stuff, drill'n'bass, xperimental stuff, braindance and so are the extremes of music, my opinion... |
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This is just what I'm talking about: listening to the music because it's your social niche/ safe haven and not for it being good music is lame. And thinking of it as good music just because it's weird/ experimental/ whatever is lame too. |
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That's true but no one is saying they want it to be mega popular, its just interesting how people prefer chart music... |
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maybe i have to wear this |
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That's rubbish. If the fact that more people listening to Aphex detracted from your personal enjoyment then you are not so much a fan of the tunes but of the fact that it is quite an elitist genre. Do you think that Aphex would alter his style because suddenly more people are listening to him? I don't....If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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nah it's not the same like a generally style, afx owns, afx is more a history... i don't care how much people are listening to afx... |
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I'm apparently the only person in my city of 40,000 that I know of that even knows who AUTECHRE is. I've yet to encounter another fan, even in college. And Autechre is a pretty big name in this biz. |
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I wouldn't mind going to the supermarket and hearing Stone in focus. I'm not generally one to judge people based solely on musical taste, but i agree that people who listen to "our" kind of music seem a bit more creative. |
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i think most people here have bad taste... i don't see idm as the cream of music like most poeple here do. |
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if we arranged such an island community - you will still get the masses, people that like the pretty stuff like icbyd, mhtrtc etc. and they will most likely also be looked down upon people that are into more obscure/harsher?- [or bubblegum pop?] stuff, that these former people will consider "noise", "rubbish" "nonsense" etc .. |
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every community breaks down into smaller groups, which is why that island would never work. |
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x actly .. tho its hard to accept the idea that its not about the music. |
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u gotta dig deep underground to get the good stuff =) |
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always .. hehe.. who knows, maybe in 200 years NOT listening to music is the most trendy thing - and the talk will be about what sort of ear muffs one should get for the best silence (esp. with profound lack of bass) .. still, inspite of all this meta-social stuff, i'd still like to think its about the music .. |
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i think RDJ should like sell out under one guise yet release his real shite under another for the hardcore but that would be fuckin' impossible to even attempt... |
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eventually more people would get turned onto him and then of course some of them would even dig around to find out what else he has done and then like if we knew what was really goin' on they would find out about the scam and word would spread and either people would think that he was just another milli vanilli or they would embrace everything he does and nothing would be sacred anymore... |
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who's to say he hasn't already done this? |
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ahhh, touche! ;) |
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Perhaps the "weird" music we listen to is mostly appealing to people who enjoy creating. Anything weird/abnormal explores a new method/expresses a new idea... one of the main reasons I've been interested in autechre and crunch and stuff is for the ideas they give me to create something myself. Change is necesary for something to progress from simpler/worse to more organized/better... this is subjective just like whether or not you think that some of the current products of evolution (people) are "better/more organized/more complex" than simpler replicating primitive molecules. I'm trying to say that MUTATION is the single cause of the progression ,and our weird music is sorta a mutagen? I'll just shudup |
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I live in West Virginia, have a few friends that like intelligent music, but for the most part the rednecks treat me like shit 'cause I'm different. I'm just doing my thing. They're the real trip, I'm not. |
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i know a dude from west virginia, he goes to the same college as me, and is releasing an album with my other friend from holland, on some independent label... |
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where in WV is your friend from? |
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i have no idea. ive only met him once actually, hes friends with my dutch friend... his name is nate... know anyone that goes to Berklee in boston and is named nate? |
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