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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 22:45 [#00331201]
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I apologize to anyone (especially Switch Frontside) who i offended in my thread 'To whoever it may concern'.
I did not mean to piss anyone off, i just meant to put my ideas forward, but obviously i worded it wrong. I hope there are no hard feelings
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-07-30 22:47 [#00331202]
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what? post a link to it!
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-07-30 22:47 [#00331203]
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No need to apologize, it obviously wasn't meant to be offensive, you meant well.
Some people overreacted, touchy touchy.
I disagreed with a lot of it, but I wasn't offended... you're young and have a lot to learn, but at least you're using your brain unlike a lot of the dumb little fucks out there. Your ideas just need a little fine tuning, but your heart is in the right place.
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 22:48 [#00331205]
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Nah, cause im just gonna get more stick for it, and i dont want that, i have had more than enough bad critisms
This is for people who were invlolved in the thread
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anon
from ^_^ (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 22:57 [#00331225]
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murray- never ''fine tune'' ur ideas on the world , EVER , i mean it . ophecks i mean no ''diss-respect '' as sum ppl would say , by putting this , its just i don't think u should ever tell sum1 to change the way they think.no ones wrong , and no ones right.
anon
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-07-30 23:13 [#00331259]
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Some of the things he said are things that a 16 year old WOULD say...
But most likely, not a 21 year old. Murray's a smart guy, but some of the things he said were pretty questionable... REALLY questionable, to the point where it offended people.
Sure, everyone's entitled to their ideas, but I just don't agree with some of what he said, some blatantly WRONG things there. Few years, and you'd look back at it and laugh, I know I did and said and thought some things when I was a few years younger that I just find LAUGHABLE today.
No disrespect to Murray or anything, I have nothing BUT respect for him.
If I'm wrong, and you feel the EXACT SAME WAY in 10 years, about cliques and groups and their stereotypes and all that, well... feel free to chop my balls of and feed them to me. :-)
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 23:23 [#00331276]
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Anon - Thank you so much for sticking up with me
Ophecks - I agree, some of the stuff i did was worded wrong...ok some VERY wrong i have done a newer version, but am only going to share it amongst close friends
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anon
from ^_^ (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 23:29 [#00331287]
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ok , well for one- are u dillerberatly putting 'wrong' in capital letters just cause i said no one is wrong and no ones is right?and of course you look back on sum things u said when u was young and laugh at them , im guessing that, just like the rest of us, you were an idiot when u was young so obviously you would say somthing stupid then and not realise till now.and if murrays views do change , wich i doubt they will all that dramaticly, then he can come and say ''yep you were right . im a fool'' , but if not (wich is the side i favour) then u better get some ketchup ready cause ur gunna being chewing on sum spoon fed bollox.
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anon
from ^_^ (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 23:29 [#00331289]
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no offence
anon
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-07-30 23:38 [#00331297]
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We all have opinions, and my opinion is that a lot of what he said was...
WRONG. He can think they're right, YOU can, but I don't, and if I DIDN'T think he was wrong, I wouldn't say it. I think he's wrong about a lot of stuff there. That's MY opinion.
Do I have to put (im my opinion) after everything I say? That's just a pain in the ass (in my opinion).
I think I'm right (in my opinion), and that teens of that age have a lot of growing up to do (in my opinion), Mur included. ME included, too... (in my opinion)...
Of course I can admit when I'm wrong, IF I'm wrong, and I'm good for admitting when I'm wrong (in my opinion). Trust me, I'm very PRO-Murray, not anti-Murray.
And mustard is better than ketchup (in my opinion). :-)
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 23:40 [#00331298]
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Yay, Pro Murray, i agree some of what i said was worded totally WRONGLY but i've changed it, ad i think its better (in my opinion) ;)
And i have to e-mail you and catch up Ophecks
Thanks anon :)
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anon
from ^_^ (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 23:42 [#00331300]
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lol , well i dont really think u get what im saying ( but dont worry not many people do)so ill give up.but b4 i ''go'' just a quickie , why do we need to grow up????(in ur opinion- of course)
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anon
from ^_^ (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-30 23:42 [#00331302]
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oh so u r alive then murray ?
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-30 23:58 [#00331322]
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Murray > I read your thread and it seemed to me like you were turning on the taps for the first time ; letting out in a big splurge a lot of ideas you'd been having for a long while.
Firstly, If that's right, you are at an early stage in the creative process. Don't give up , look at it again ; throw it in the bin and start again.... But don't give up trying to express yourself..
You're ideas will evolve and mature, you probably should stop trying to be "Writer" , but continue formulating and expressing ideas , as you do , in an apparently reasonable and frank way.
I know why you're apologising ; posting anything different here leaves you vulnerable to attack . And you feel responsible for other people's reactions . That shows you are a genuine person.
The way I see it, its some of those you're apologising to that should be apologising.... After all, threats of violence against you and wishes for your demise by faceless cowards on the internet is truly sad, pathetic behaviour.
Big up to you; I respect you're bravery. I see people adopting fashionable stereotypes everywhere ; Its worth discussing ; just be aware that sure, we are all prone to it. No social group is king. The only king anyone can be is king of themself. Thats the real victory.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-31 00:02 [#00331325]
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chill man, speak out, people might not always listen, but often saying these things gets them clearer in your own head
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-31 00:03 [#00331326]
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That my friend
is some inspiring stuff
thank you
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-31 00:03 [#00331327]
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Really no need to apologise, Murray....
takes a lot of guts to share your thoughts like that....feel similarly to Opchecks about some of it but kinda see Anons point about staying true to your ideas....
Regardless...if any of the feedback (pos or neg) you got helps you with your writing then it's gotta be a good thing...
PS....
And Happy Birthday, mate...it's just turned midnight here!!! :)...
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-07-31 01:28 [#00331397]
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murray,
theres no need to apologize! so some people disagreed with it.... some over reacted. but u didn't mean to offend anyone, you were just trying to share some ideas which is always a good thing.
i agree with ophecks that its good that ur using ur brain, even if i dont agree w/ what ur saying
anyway, IM sorry if i over-reacted or offended you. (although i think my second post was pretty legitimate and i stand by it)
if u write stuff in the future please feel free to share it w/ the board, im sure u'll get lots of usefull feedback
and its always good to start a discussion of ideas.... ...in my opinion ;)
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