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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-26 23:29 [#00326367]
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I wonder if there are very few people who REALLY understand computers, I bet it's culture that can progress without the necessity of understanding it completely. It occured to me that electricity must be the secret reason behind most "magical" things. What is this other than small units that have the desire to travel from one place to another? So the fundamental organizational unit of computers (and other apparently magical things) ultimately is movement? (How does this tie in with relativity then, is the electrons movement only meaningful relative to the position of the computer?) Suppose we blew up the scale of computers to the scale of the big clumsy world of humans... could we theoretically build a working computer using cars desire to move from point a to point b, to replace the electrons desire to move? The actual information is the lights caused to flash by the electrons though right? We could build it so the stop lights blink to form a big pattern that can only be seen on earth from the moon, and an astronaut could play a videogame with a controller staring at the earth's pattern of lights shaped like a helicopter blasting aliens or something.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-26 23:37 [#00326369]
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how much do these magic things like computers?
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-07-26 23:43 [#00326371]
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Well there was once this episode of Startrek where...........holodeck.......still inside......etc....
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-26 23:44 [#00326372]
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fuck computers.. um for that we will need a portal shaped like a hole that accomodates appendages..the disk drives are good for metaphorical pursposes but it simply wont do for the long john silver unit..and maybe a resonance unit like the types used in dairy farms for lactation..and a collection cup for the ejaculates...and maybe we will have to make the computers washing machine proof because ..come on..it will have to be washed..other wise it might start growing these tiny little baby computers and wont it be embarrassing when one day you are sitting with your family..and these tiny little units roll out from the PC module that are half human half PC and they are all rushing over going Papa Papa in that computerised voice like that scientist in a wheelchair who writes about blackholes and other such pornography for the astrophysicists
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-26 23:48 [#00326375]
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You've got the Pear Squasher bug w m w.
They're not magical...
they are the precious things
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-26 23:57 [#00326382]
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quote from "the ascent of man" by j. bronowski:
"We human beings are joined in families, the families are joined in kinship groups, the kinship groups in clans, the clans in tribes, the tribes in nations. And that sense of hierarchy, of a pyramid in which layer is imposed onlayer, runs through all the ways that we look at nature."
Do we have interest in music because it profoundly corresponds to the way our social relations join us? Do we select one part to identify ourself with in relation to the rest of the sound?
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ecnadniarb
on 2002-07-26 23:57 [#00326383]
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A computer is nothing really to do with electricity. Electricity is just a conventient power source, all a computers consits off is billions of switches either turned on or off. It is not really that magical at all.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-27 00:01 [#00326386]
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did you feel magical when you reversed braindance ennadniarb?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-27 00:02 [#00326388]
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Too bad birds arms evolved into wings that would have trouble making tools and such, they're already free from the restraints of quadrapedalism.
a pinch of mischief
reach back two million years.
my idea is that systems whose parts are linked together have their own bubble of time, unlinked with the time of other bubbles... of course in the universe everything is related by gravity and such, but day/night on earth doesn't have much of an impact on any other planet for example. So there are bubbles of various sizes each with their own measurement of shared time/action.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-27 00:04 [#00326391]
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Everything is magical, especially to me, since I don't understand anything at all, while everyone else just doesn't understand it completely.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-27 00:06 [#00326394]
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ability to postpone the gratification of desire, we instruct eachother in sentences. Immemorial ages. Cycles are what causes environments to change, thereby giving creatures of carbon a desire to evolve.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-27 00:08 [#00326398]
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What about non-carbon creatures?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-27 00:10 [#00326400]
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I will tell you about something far more magical than computer..it's those vaccum chute things they used to have before emails..put your message in a jar..pop the lid on and toss it in the portal..and off it goes..what amazes me is how they hell did they figure out the navigation..how did it figure out..that this is an annoymous death threat for the company president from a disgruntled emplyee about go on a rampage slicing everyone in sight with lethal papercuts..or this is a quote for the yearly toilet paper budget for the accounts department....and that popping sound they make once the mail has arrived..ahh..satisfying...mind you my only exposure to them is movies like Brazil..did such a system actually exist or is it an entirely mythical invention like Unicorn Sandwiches?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-27 00:14 [#00326406]
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I apologize for discriminating against non-carbon creatures, like job applications requiring references discriminate against people without friends.
quote from that same book:
"it is tempting to close one's eyes to history, and instead to speculate about the roots of war in some possible animal instinct: as if, like the tiger, we still had to kill to live, or, like the robin redbreast, to defend a nesting territory. But war, organised war, is not a human instinct. It is a highly planned and co-operative form of theft."
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-27 00:15 [#00326408]
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ahh ha ha ha ha
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-27 00:21 [#00326414]
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Isn't killing and eating an animal stealing it's body/food?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-27 00:23 [#00326420]
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I would to thank you all for once again creating this vaccum in between posts gaps in the stream of conscience in which i freely hypothetise and raise these important issues that continue to amaze me like the McDonalds ad in which a little girl asks her father about where the babies come from, is it just me or does it seem like the only document in the history of man kind which displays a phenomenon which can only called reversed paedophilia in which the child is actually tormenting and sexually harassing the parent, what sick mind can envision and create such a thing, does that beg the question that McDonalds is inherently evil and anyone with in a miles radius of it's Strategic Tactical Nervecentre becomes a profit driven monster that will stoop to any level to promote the cause of the dead processed cow mongers?
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-07-27 00:26 [#00326427]
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I wish I could spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at this computer. I can't get bored of it at all...
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-27 00:30 [#00326435]
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I can totally forsee the war of corporations... already union vs non-union stores (and trades I guess )resort to violence. they union actually hires spies to work in the non union store like walmart too, to get super secret information, like the number of m&m packages per square cubic yard that will best maximize profit... the cubic part is taken into account because they've discovered how to levitate them now (but only m&m's for some reason) It makes me wonder if the m&m corporation will play a big role in this war by making futuristic levitation war technology.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-31 00:49 [#00331360]
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I definately recommend the book "the ascent of man".
"a popular cliche in philosophy says that science is pure analysis or reductionism, like taking the rainbow to pieces; and art is pure synthesis, putting the rainbow together"
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