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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-22 16:41 [#00320020]
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ok, this is a question for the other music makers here
I want to start doing gigs...
but I write all my songs on Reason, and thats it. I dont have any hardware.
How would you guys suggest I go about performing live?
I cant just push play of an mp3... hehe
thoughts anyone?
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Clic
on 2002-07-22 16:45 [#00320023]
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Mix it up a bit. Improvise with all of the sliders, fx, etc. My friend does it all the time. Some nights, he'll come over to my house and we'll make some stuff right off the top of our heads. I throws in all kinds of stuff. He uses Reason too, btw.
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Clic
on 2002-07-22 16:46 [#00320024]
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I = He
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-22 16:55 [#00320041]
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but how much real time control can you get with just a mouse?
its limiting isnt it?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-07-22 17:02 [#00320047]
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buy a synth you can load with new samples from your songs, play them live that way if you're not going to form a band
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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2002-07-22 18:26 [#00320105]
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Write all of your tracks to MP3. Then DJ live with a laptop and Traktor. You can throw in other people's tracks too.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-22 19:49 [#00320190]
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can you do real time effects and what not to it?
i dont want to just be standing up there!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-22 23:25 [#00320408]
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*bump*
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Chris Ochre
on 2002-07-22 23:31 [#00320409]
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Kaoss Pad is fun. I do agree, it is uncomfortable to stand up to a crowd and press play. Let's face it - it will be difficult to put on a live 'performance' when you're a one-man act.
If you can play sections live, against a backing track, then try that. Traktor is pretty good, as you can loop/filter/scratch your music up a bit, then stick it through a Kaoss Pad (even two) for some extra tweakage.
This is all I've done live so far. Seemed to work well enough.
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outside_ninja
from ninjaland (I touch no-one and on 2002-07-22 23:34 [#00320412]
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You must be hurting from all the Bumping You Do, Zeus from NYC
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-22 23:39 [#00320415]
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zeus: what did you make of supercollider if youve tried it out?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-22 23:44 [#00320424]
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havnt tired it out...
cause my parents PC is what has net access, so i dont download files on here
when i get back to school ill def check it out.
and as far as traktor goes.. so what, id have like mp3s of my already made songs, and then fuck with them and mix them?
or would I take a song, and save the seperate parts as mp3s, and then mix them together via traktor?
im still not sure i understnad exatcly what you do with traktor
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illfates
from space (United States) on 2002-07-22 23:48 [#00320427]
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Zeus, I had this same question a while back, and ended up doing this:
Two laptops, both running cubase and ableton live. Used my old midi keyboard as a midi input, and DJed tracks back and forth between computers. While one was playing a song, I'd use the keyboard with cubase and a vst sampler to do everything from adding samples and playing some wacky melody that was never there before. It works really well.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-22 23:50 [#00320430]
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yes... but 2 comps is $$$
;)
im looking for a somewhat cheap, and near future answer
and is it really nessasary to have 2 comps?!
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-22 23:56 [#00320432]
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for all of you who ran/have run linux, best live approach is:
cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp clear the room like a cop bust.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-07-23 00:26 [#00320454]
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Hold your laptop in your hands, and jump around the stage like a madman! Pretend you're doing something, and fucking with knobs and sliders, but really you're just bouncing to a pre-done track. Hump your laptop. Lick your laptop. Throw it and catch it. Make love to it. Tango with it. Dance the night away. Spin it around. Juggle it. Kick it like a hackeysack. Bang it on your head. Kiss it. Love it. Do it. Make that fucker scream. Swing it around by it's cords (make sure they're extra long so you can move around and do everything I'm telling you).
Then throw it into the audience at the end, much like Lars Ulrich throws his drumsticks! Give a lucky listener something to remember your performance by! It helps to be filthy rich so you can afford lots of laptops.
No no, better YET... light in fire... an IDM Hendrix! Make like The Who and smash it up. Eat it. Eat the circuitry. Show the motherboard who's the boss.
WORK IT!!! WORKKKKKK ITTTT!!!
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Laqeuro
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-23 00:28 [#00320455]
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hahahahahaha
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2002-07-23 00:34 [#00320458]
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i play live sometimes. i use ableton LIVE software to push and pull tracks (samples/loops) in real time with effects.
i use a DELL laptop.
got a couple of gigs coming up soon. cant wait to try out my new kaoss pad.
=]
email me if you want some tips.
portland@n5md.com
oh yeah, and you can hear a live set by me over at www.n5md.com
click on the link in the lower right corner of the page and follow the prompts to the "portland" set.
=]
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-23 00:38 [#00320460]
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tell me when yr gigging mate i could do with some spare parts :)
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-23 00:44 [#00320464]
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kaos pads are fucking tight
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-23 00:46 [#00320465]
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i say do a live improv set with reason
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-23 00:46 [#00320466]
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that would be cool man
except i do like boards of canada, autechre, ambeint afx kinda stuff
not something you jump around to (like squarepusher or something)
so I dont think it would work
but it would be funny to hump the lap top
hehe
as far as laptops go... PC or MAC?
I use an iMAC... not a laptop...
so im thinking... i put all the seperate tracks from a song on thier own mp3 files, and mix them in traktor, so its spontanious etc? doing effects etc?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-23 00:46 [#00320468]
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yeah, i could use a kaoss... need more $ first!
a live improv on reason?
dont know about that... could get messy :)
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2002-07-23 00:49 [#00320471]
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here is what i do...
my big fockin computer + a lot of extra goodies including my Roland Juno 60 + my Boss DR-202
when i REALLY perform live, i mix my voice tapes to a delay & alter pitch & play my ambient keyboard stuff.
works quite well... very diverse set list that i have :)
do not be shy about using hardware, as you can find REALLY cheap stuff at a garage sale and be able to mix it into your sound.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-23 00:50 [#00320472]
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yeah
ive just never really done any type of live stuff or improv with my music
its all written out, and thought out...
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2002-07-23 00:52 [#00320473]
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so.. you don't consider yourself sort of cheating when you improv? jazzers do it all the time, why can't electro headz?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-23 00:55 [#00320477]
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wiat what?
cheating?
i know jazz does improv, and so does electronic dudes do
im just saying ive never done it, and i dont know how id start
you gotta have something prepared somewhat... you cant just start with one track of something you quickly make
id realy like to do this... but then the other problem is like... hands on-ness
if im just using a comp, i dont think a mouse would be fast enough for real time control
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2002-07-23 00:57 [#00320481]
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check out Midiman's MIDI controllers... you hook those bad boy things up... & with Reason you can assign the midi outs & ins & then just like tweek the sound again & again until you end up creaming your pants.
well shit dude... bust out that old sp-202 & start just twiddling and mess with a drum machine & just get a nice little keyboard line (written out) of coz & just tweek like mad! :)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-23 01:02 [#00320491]
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but im selling you the sp-202!
hehe
i mean, i do have equipment, but im selling it...
i wasnt too happy with the sounds on the drum machines and synth
so you can get like a midi control... and that could control all the effects and shit on reason?
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-07-23 01:04 [#00320495]
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No offense to anyone that does live electronic music, but I've never gave a shit about it, I wouldn't even be overly excited to see and hear Richard live. The ''tweaking'' I've heard in live electronic tracks by Rich or Tom or whoever have always made me think... ''eh... that sucked''. But damn, their music is fucking great when it's playing in my room, pre-cooked to perfection.
Just my preference of course... not saying live electronics isn't cool, it just isn't cool to ME. I can understand why Rich doesn't perform live very often... he's no Pete Townshend!
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2002-07-23 01:04 [#00320497]
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yeah... i'll try to find you a link to a picture about what i'm talking of...
a company called MIDIMAN makes VERY nice & cheap controllers for certain computer things... like a built in effects board & such... i've been wanting to buy one, but i don't have the money... it's considered hardware in my books, coz it's "hands-on"
*I will send you a check for that sp-202* *I am STILL VERY INTERESTED*
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-23 01:10 [#00320511]
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k
ill be waiting for it in the mail :)
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Taoist Blockade
from Wales on 2002-07-23 01:11 [#00320513]
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the audience has to be able to SEE what you are doing. If youre twiddling knobs and they cant see what the knob twiddling is doing its boring. If youre playing in a restaurant or something tios ok, but if you want people to actually be listening to you and watching you make sure you are playing a keyboard/guitar/dildo/trumpet/spoons.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-23 01:16 [#00320520]
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yeah
id also do a visual thing... like hook up iTUNES to another comp, and have the graphics thing projected onto a wall
im gonna go check out that midi controller stuff...
but first... DINNER
mmm
bbiab
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-23 01:46 [#00320558]
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i dont get it...
i checked out those midicontrollers
they are just keyboards...
how would i be albe to tweak knobs? like delay, flanger, phaser, volume, lfo etc?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-23 01:51 [#00320565]
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How many times have you seen richard or tom live Ophecks?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-07-23 02:07 [#00320579]
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zeus: check out the autechre live set from toronto i believe it is. you can just start of with a simple drum beat and then keep adding to it with a bass line and more and more
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