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I know it's a dumb question to ask in a place like this ;-) |
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are you not allowed? or you cant because you arnt good? |
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She has no hands and ears maybe? |
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Hi Zeus, Nobody's stopping me no. I used to play about on rebirth, Duck something or other and I just couldn't make tunes. I mean it's not easy is it? |
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I use tuareg and fruity loops and to make anything sound "good" seems impossible, its so confusing |
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if everyone could write music... they would... its not easy you need to be dedicated, talented, and spend lots of time with it. |
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It's not hard to make something, but I do think it's hard to make something good, even decent. I make shit, but that's to be expected with no musical background! |
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not really, many musical greats have had 0 musical background. take me, for example :-) |
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depends what you mean by musical background hardcore theory? not nessasarilly played an instrument early on in life... exposed to alot of music... most definatly |
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exposed to a lot of music, sure. never played an instrument, don't know any theory, etc. simply been a fan all my life. i'm just not very artistic/creative, at all, so I'm not suprised. |
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It's funny though. I haven't really thought about this but having listened to music almost constanltly since age 16 or so, music of all shapes and sizes and yet I'm so useless myself. |
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how old are you? you only started listening to music at 16? I was brought up with music since I was born... |
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u just need to be patient take step by step |
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I think for me it has to do with the way I've always listened to music. I never bothered to analyze it and think about it's construction or to recognize individual pieces that make up the whole--I was more concerned with the way it made me feel. |
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I'm 27 |
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well... i dont know i never really analyzed stuff... or maybe i did, but it was subconcious... i mean, even now i dont analyze much...but im sure I am on a subconcious level... |
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are you usually creative in other forms? like art, writting etc? they seem to kind of go together alot of times.. |
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Zeus, if that was directed at me, then no, I'm not. If that wasn't dircted at me, I didn't say anything! |
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which post are you talking about? you do know about the reply function right? to reply to someone, you click on that # next to thier name/location/date/time then under that it will say "Follow up to: (whoever you followed yp to)" |
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I think it was directed at me ;-) I like to dabble. I love to paint. I'm thinking of taking it up again as I haven't touched it in years. I used to have lots of Bryce and paint shop stuff but it's all lost now. So Zeus I know you make music anaything else you turn your hand to ? |
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Ohhh. I never noticed that before. |
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i blame laziness. I'd love to be able to make the full bodied music i dream of my brain in a program like rebirth, but i just confused and im not motivated to do it, which is a shame. |
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i did art seriously for about 3-4 years alot of drawings. I taught myself from trying to draw exactly what was drawn in my comic books then after awhile, you get a feel for it, and can make your own pictures. then i took 2 years of art in highschool, where I got into painting my best peices where done there. havnt done it much lately... i find i much rather express myself through music Im also a good writter... but I dont really do anything for the fun of it... maybe someday... oh, but I do love to make stuff on photoshop i have a very postmodernist approach... i always start with a picture of something else... and i totally warp it into a beautiful trippy visual. you have no idea what the original picture was |
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you need to get your hands on some actual musical instruments!!!! sit and play about HANDS ON!!!! just find your own natural ryhtm, if you,ve got no feel for natural ryhtm your only gonna get something out of a computer thats un-natural, i know it sounds mad talking about natural things when your using a very mechanical object to make music, but you've got to get your emotions into it, so find it using real instruments first. you dont have to do much with any instrument to get a basic nice melody or tune out of it, its very easy and very satisfying. then go back to the computer to make your tunes |
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i agree i played drums for 4 years, before I started writting music. Then i played bass for 3 years after that (and still play it now) although I dont think you nessasarily always have to play an instrument... it is very useful to start out on |
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oh i love that avatar darth manchu. I can't make any IDM music either. I used to play in a band and have written tons of songs for guitar and had no trouble. When it comes to the computer I find I can't quickly enough put my thoughts into music or get the sounds I am looking for and loose complete focus. Most of the time I just play around. |
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i think i big thing in electronic music is knowing your program just like an instrument... even if you got all these great ideas, until you know how to really play your instrument, you arent going to be able to get it to sound right. i beleive a music program/sampler/synth are all instruments... (although alot of bastard musicians would disagree) but yeah learn your program learn it inside and out figure out what does what, what makes what sound etc then it will be much easier to get your ideas out |
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i can never spell rythm!! zues, the very first thing that grabbed me with music was drums, allways wanted to play them since i was a kid. then when i got a set, i sat behind it and shit meself, after years of drumming on things, with anything to hand, the drum kit just seemed too rigid, and i couldnt move. i play keyboards, little bit of guitar, and the sampler, but my big setback at the moment is drums, i cant program them to save my life, but i can create it realtime only using the keyboard with the beats done through midi. freaks me out that i cant program them. |
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yes, good shout, you've got to know at least the basic functions and tools of a programme before you'll get anything productive out of it. |
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Well I shouldn't really ask this as my phone bill'l be through the roof, but I'm interested now. If you programme which language do you use? |
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Vit C, even basic 12 bar programmes like fruityloops, i just can't seem to get the drumms i'm looking for, i need to do drumms for nearly half of a track at a time, i can't get the patterns in my head into programmes like that, i need a realtime thing where i can hit the beats in with a click track running, then edit that. |
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maybe it would help if you record it in real time, and then go and look at the track, and analyze what you did, and how it looks written out? |
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waahey!! "i need a realtime thing where i can hit the beats in with a click track running, then edit that. " |
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oops sorry! what program do you have? typical sequencing programs should have that feature....? |
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Don't like to just piss off without saying something. It was a pleasure talking to you tonight. Byze bye. |
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later! |
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I think making music is difficult. I would love to do it, but it's so time-consuming that I only do it when I really have the time to do it. I love listening to my music. I do that hours a day, analyzing instruments etc. I could make decent stuff but. So far I have been motivated enough to create one track (not on the net :'( ) The only thing I can recommend you, Vit C, is listening to music very intensely (especially with IDM). Listen what others do and, what's even more important, how they do it. The rest has to come from yourself.... |
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and then when you've listened to everyone else, forget it all and do your own thing |
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i have so many ideas for good songs in every genre (rock, electronic, trip hop, hip hop, dance,...) but it's not possible to realize it! :( and so i prefer writing! |
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"you need to be dedicated, talented, and spend lots of time with it." i disagree with this. if you know what you're doing and you know what you want to hear you will make good music. if oyu're tryign to make music just for it to sound good to other people then i never think you'll be appreciative of it. |
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where in that quote did i say anything about making music for other people? you said "if you know what youre doing" well, to know what your doing (ie, be familiar with music, and your equipment) you have to spend time learnin, and i also think there is an amount of talent you need to get this stuff out of y our head and into an actual song. "you know what you want to hear" thats where talent comes in. dont put words in my mouth espeically something i totally dont agree with of course you write music for yourself |
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I recommend listening..lots and lots..of listening..dismantling mentally what you hears so you can hear visually each of the element going into a song... another good thing is to get into time keeping..i.e following beats..keeping up with rhythms..tap along to um..tappable beats..once you can do that almost subconsciously..try improvising..replacing a quarter note beat with two eights...or one eight and two sixteenth's etc...all of this while tapping away.. |
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maybe youre just trying too hard |
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the full fruity loops version is very powerful, i'm creating some wird tunes. i prefer to create my own patterns with acidstudio or wavelab (they are pretty the same) other powerful programs are ts404 & the hybrid sequencer |
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an easy program to help you might be Acid 3.0. you don't necessarily have to input much, just mix sounds and you can also do things like chop samples and all. maybe get a drum sampledisk as well to recognize the variances in rhythm. i'll take drum sounds and chop them up and rearrange them to see how much i can do to one limited sound. even if you still feel like you haven't learned much on it, it is pretty fun. |
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get a program called Acid 3.0. The Pro version lets you record midi, so if you want to get your keyboard out and practice to get keyboard playing better, do that. it can export the MIDI as wav. if you don't have any recording gear or whatever, download drum samples for it. I have Siggi Baldursson's Zero Gravity Beats which is a sample disk full of drums. i take a drum rhythm and chop it up and rearrange it to make so many rhythms out of one sound. it's also good for melodies, too, so they don't always get too repetitive. you may just learn a little bit more about music that way. |
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hm, first step - forget about rebirth, try fruity loops instead. i am on the second step - trying to make music only when i feel something. everytime you sit down decided just to make some sounds, it becomes shit. i'm learning acid right now... take care:) p.s. i have never played any instrument:( |
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maybe you need a reason |
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That sounds deep :o |
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have you seen this cartoon movie "the maxx"? In one scene the maxx and a girl are sitting on the edge of a building and looking at the cars below. Trying to make some pointless small talk the girl mentions how the cars look like ants from this height. The maxx wasn't moved and only had the energy to mutter one sarcastic word in response "deep", it was funny. |
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