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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:50 [#00312846]
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What do you UK members think of the proposed ID card scheme?
Good or bad?
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 13:55 [#00312850]
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us NZers are kinda stuck with it..the previous very fascist Right Wing govt enforced Drivers Licences with photographs and invasive database knowledge collections...this centre Left Govt has eased up on it a bit...
The US citizen take all of this for granted..they have been eternally bagged, tagged and catalogued with Social Security Cards.....that you need everywhere from cashing your checks to brushing your teeth..and all the databases..banks, libraries, hospitals, Blockbuster..are all streamlined and regulated via this number...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:56 [#00312853]
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Yeah, my american mate said their social security cards are crap too- not even laminated and you're not allowed to laminate them yourself. He says they fall apart and disintigrate all the time and they're a hassle to get replaced...
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 13:57 [#00312854]
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case in point
pop a pill, free
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:59 [#00312856]
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WHAT!!!!!?????
That is insane. No wonder all the Americans I know are so content ;)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 14:01 [#00312858]
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heheh..it's so scary its almost funny..shit your pants funny..
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-17 14:01 [#00312859]
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I doubt it'll happen....
a) too expensive... b) easy to forge.. c) unpopular with voters d) too big-brotherish....
and what use would they be?...can't see em being much use against Terrorism which is the thinking behind em...
Bloody 9/11!!!...it was a Governments Wet Dream come true...
Still, would be nice excuse for another Poll Tax type riot tho...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-17 18:22 [#00313086]
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Britain needs a good national riot -- hopefully i'll be there to lob a few molotov cocktails into the houses of parliament :)
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-07-18 01:13 [#00313553]
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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!
I think the whole idea of identity cards is a great idea!
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-18 01:19 [#00313558]
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Jedi Chris you are a great fella (lightsabre notwithstanding) :)
but I have to disagree
Its the new wave of fascist control of our lives what if you forgot it one day and got asked for it by police ? you would automatically be a criminal? Fuck that .
lets just go back to chopping peoples heads off .
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 01:21 [#00313561]
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i trust your joking?
it's not a case of being afraid of being caught doing illegal things --
-- it's a case of having your privacy destroyed, your details sold to corporations (already happens of course), and of being assassinated by Government Ninjas for talking ill of them on a rainy Tuesday
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 01:22 [#00313563]
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Do you know for absolute definate you have no herritary diseases? Or has your unkle done ANYTHING wrong in his life? that will be on your card chris. You are an individual, why do you want to tell another being everything about yourself which they can and will use against you?
I'm just playing devils advocate....
but please tell me if you will post how many affairs your mother has had, how many gay tendancies your father has and why you didn't perform on those tests when you were eight years old?
I know that's a bit strong but you get what I'm saying (as the advocate ofcourse).
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 01:24 [#00313565]
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True Marlowe check this link for the awesome ultimate power of ninjas....
http://www.realultimatepower.net/
read it, it's funny...
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-07-18 01:30 [#00313572]
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It really doesn't bother me....you are all thinking the negative things!
I gave my opinion, so there you are. Anyway...I'll let you guys carry on the discussion...I need some sleep. See you all tomorrow/today...whatever!!
:)
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-18 01:33 [#00313575]
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bye then
sleep with one eye open
just 'cos U aint paranoid don't mean they aint watchin' ya ;D
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 01:35 [#00313578]
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you're just kissing ass for when they research you for your card - you want to be a Citizen Against Everyone!!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 01:35 [#00313579]
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nobody's trying to bother you? have you thought about all these 'negative' things and come up with 'you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear'? or have you read that somewhere?
It's not an attack Chris, there is nothing wrong with changing your opinion, that's growth.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-07-18 01:35 [#00313581]
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Hehehe - will do! Thanks for the advice!
*tucks Jedi lightsaber under the pillow just in case*
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 01:42 [#00313593]
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which one are you in that picture of pathetic specimens....sorry, i mean "outstanding ninja hardbastards" ;) or are you the kid leaping out of the dumpster shortly before rupturing his bollocks thru inept nunchuck usage? :D
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 01:45 [#00313598]
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JIVVERDICKER - CHANNEL 4 - PROGRAMME ABOUT KESEY AND THE MERRY PRANKSTERS
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 01:46 [#00313599]
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It's funny though! I found it one day....ultimate power!!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 01:47 [#00313602]
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now! I'll see...
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 01:49 [#00313605]
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Marlowe do you post your music anywhere? I'm free tomorrow so i'll do a remix for you....
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 02:16 [#00313639]
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cool :) - i'm on slsk... apart from mp3.com? i have no idea how to remix a track so i have no idea how you'd do it :D would u need my wave files and stuff?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 02:20 [#00313645]
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are you marlowe on soulseek? could I check mp3.com
It would be best if I had your seperate parts...
I'm free tomorrow and half of the next day..I work fast......
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 02:24 [#00313649]
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marlowe_23 on slsk... i have the tracks on good bitrate -- i think i just deleted most of my goddam wave files!! :| dammit -- altho i'm on a 28.8 so it don't make much difference :-/ (i think a few songs still have all the wave files)
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 02:26 [#00313657]
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I'll check marlowe_23 tomorrow. I'm on my mac at the moment so I can't use slsk! are you on at the moment? I can swap computers...I'm free tomorrow and it would be fun...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 02:31 [#00313666]
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i'm on now dude :) tomorrow i'll be on from 6pm - i'll be on tonite for a coupla more hours
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 02:35 [#00313671]
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I'll try switching computers! which track is your favourite? I'll do that one... I'll mail you if I need anything seperste......
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 02:41 [#00313682]
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OK, I'll try......
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 02:45 [#00313685]
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if you're user JivverDicker, then i'll talk to you on slsk -- :)
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 02:57 [#00313689]
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can we try tomorrow? I don't know where my pc is? I'll find it tomorow, I've looked everywhere I thought it could be but it's peobably been cleaned up somewhere....I'll have to try tomorow.....
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:02 [#00313690]
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hehe you don't know where your PC is :D are you an eccentric millionaire? :P
ok, tomorrow is good - is after 6pm ok, or do you want me to get on earlier?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 03:03 [#00313691]
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I've tried to look again! My girlfriend has gone back to iceland to see her mum...I'll find it tomorrow, she's moved it somewhere. Do you have a fast conection marlowe?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:11 [#00313695]
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in a word: no
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:12 [#00313696]
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oh, but there are a few people on slsk who have my tracks who have cable -- "dozier" is your best bet :) he's got most of my tracks and he's on cable and he ALWAYS seems to be online :)
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 03:20 [#00313701]
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Which is your favourite track? I'll try dozier, it's not my fault I'm a millionaire, I love music!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:26 [#00313707]
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i guess i don't love music enough :-/
i dono what my favourite track is -- people have expressed a liking for liquid reverie, but it's not like a tune that can be remixed (i think), because it's just a baroque inverted canon *hehe*#
maybe try worlds within worlds or, the one i have a soft spot for, BLIND TORTURE KILL (tunnel of love mix)
:)
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2002-07-18 03:29 [#00313711]
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Blind torture kill? let me do your favourite......It sounds good anyway...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 03:33 [#00313714]
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ok mofo - it's only a little short un anyways -- just don't tell me it's too short, cos everyone tells me that :P
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:23 [#00313917]
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hmm..Jedi Chris's complacency and lack of anxiety over the proposed obliteration of privacy is almost..ummm frighteningly refreshing...
I for one even though I dont have a lot to hide would probably be behind bars if I was still in the states just because of my ethnicity...a lot of Innocent International students from my region ended up being pulled up and questioned and jailed in the states...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 07:29 [#00313923]
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really? fucking hell man that's shit :(
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:34 [#00313930]
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many many..Pakistani and Irani students ended up behind bars..without court dates or any such..
did you get my email?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 07:40 [#00313940]
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yeah thanx buddy :) i meant to thank you again for your great collations!! :D
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:44 [#00313942]
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I tried to send you another but was informed that your mailbox was full..it was elaborating on the last piece..with documents from the oil companies and such
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 07:49 [#00313949]
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weird - my mailbox isn't full.... odd that - maybe it was when someone sent me some pictures that were over a MB? well, it's not full now anyways :)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:53 [#00313954]
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well it's a big file a pdf..906kb...
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-18 07:54 [#00313957]
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I may retry it sometime...gotta go now.. cheers beers up the engineers...:)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-18 07:59 [#00313963]
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ahh that explains it :D thanx for trying tho! :~)
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