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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 13:27 [#00312829]
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here it is folks hot off the press and ready to steam roll any vestiges of human rights and civil rights in its sight...
watch out for your meter reader, your mail man, your cable guys and best give them the bestest Christmass prezzies ever or you are gonna be spending it in camp X-Ray..it's the inquisition, Stasi, KGB and Communist Scare,1984 and the Salem Witch Trials..all rolled into one...
fun fun fun
Operation TIPS
Stasiesque
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:43 [#00312838]
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Isn't this exactly the same as the "communist agent network" (can't remember the exact name) that russia operated in WW2?
Each member of the state was effectively a compulsory govt. agent whose duty it was to report anything against the people's party.
Surely this is just a great way to get revenge on coworkers/acquaintences by reporting that they recieve a lot of strange visitors, thereby ensuring they get taken away gestapo stylee? :)
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 13:44 [#00312839]
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:44 [#00312840]
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Oh yes and the Chinese agents in each street whose job it is to spot (illegaly) pregnant neighbours...
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 13:45 [#00312841]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to Ceri JC: #00312838
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bingo a witch hunt!!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:46 [#00312842]
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It's also a rather covert way of making people feel part of the system and to take any attack on the state more personally.
I'm fairly MOR (neither left or right), but this is v. scary...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-07-17 13:48 [#00312844]
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Ever played the game "Deus Ex" remeber the bit that describes potential terrorists as "having unusual habits, an interest in electronics and recieving a large number of packages". I fall into all those categories :(
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 13:49 [#00312845]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to Ceri JC: #00312844
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this is like every speculative piece of pop culture come to life...
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Nougatologist
from New York (United States) on 2002-07-17 15:21 [#00312906]
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wow... this is downright terrifying. I know I already have a fat, juicy FBI file (HI FELLAS!), but to have that extend into my personal life, courtesy of the mail man, or whoever, is awful. Not to mention that just about anybody could be reported as doing something "suspicious."
I'm even more concerned about who will have access to this information - I'm sure the gov't will say, "oh yeah, we'll keep the info secure, and only authorized high-ranking federal agents can gte to it," but even if they do that (which is unlikely in itself), I wouldn't trust them to adhere to it. Between this, the USA-PATRIOT act, and US-COINTELPRO, I'm just about ready to get the hell outta this horrible country.
The government now has perfect legal jurisdiction to:
get a report from your gas meter man that you were perhaps doing something as suspicious as... taking out the trash late at night (which I do all the time). The HORROR! Then, using that information, they can send federal agents to your house, pull you out of your bed, throw you in a federal prison without bail, deny you the right to an attorney or even trial by jury, and have a federal military judge sentence you to death in a secret military tribunal, and nobody will know where you went. OR, thanks to US-COINTELPRO, they could sit in at a union meeting, or some activist event posing as just another Joe, take notes on who was "suspicious," and *then* sentence you to death in secret. OR, thanks to USA-PATRIOT, if you're doing anything that could be classified as "dissenting against the government," such as attending a protest for our dwindling civil liberties, or perhas for abortion, or gay rights, or whatever the case may be, you can be classified as a terrorist and sentenced to death in secret.
Stalin would be so proud.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-07-17 15:31 [#00312923]
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man I really feel for you lot in the States..primarily because I was there for 4 years and made bucket load of friends...more so than I have ever since...
+I'm just about ready to get the hell outta this horrible country+
I hope I could offer NZ as an option but we are about go into election in a couple of weeks and half the parties are riding on the gungho jingoism wave from the States..talking about sending back immigrants and such :(
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2002-07-17 17:29 [#00313038]
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Fuck this bullshit, as soon as I'm old enough I'm leaving this country.
I've had enough of fuck-nose retarded ass government policy.
flea: what is NZ?
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Asche XL
on 2002-07-18 05:23 [#00313796]
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