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this may be an old question, and i've read and heard a lot but: 808 or 909? which should i buy? or elektron machinedrum? or jomox xbase09? discuss. |
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I've got a Korg ES-1 and I think it's pretty cool. |
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don't get an 808 or 909. they're quite sonically limited. the only reason to buy one is if these three conditions are met: 1) you have LOTS of money to burn. 2) you want to buy a piece of "history", a collectors' item 3) you are a purist if you can afford it, I'd probably say get the machinedrum. but that might be a waste of money too. more than anything, which drum machine you should get depends on your needs. |
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The ES-1 is a sampler too. It's pretty handy because you can sample something, alter and warp it with the fx processor built it, and sequence it with the 'drum machine' part of the unit. |
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yeah, I've been wanting to hook up with one of those ES-1s...they look so easy to use, esp. compared to my Akai. I heard that Autechre uses one occasionally...though that's probably bullshit :p I want an ER-1 too for the realtime control and nice fat kicks. |
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They're really easy to use. Probably one of the easiest units I've used, personally. My friend owns one as well. It's like, the heart of his musical project since he doesn't have a computer. It'd be cool if Autechre used one, hehe. |
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yeah, that's what I figured, you probably just plug your source in, hit record, edit the start and end points and you're good to go, eh? whereas with my Akai, you first have to create a sample, then go to single mode, make sure the midi channel is right, put that sample into a keygroup, adjust filter, LFO, and envelope options, and then you have to figure out a way to sequence it. nice and flexible, but a headache if you just want to make simple percussion samples. |
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im of the opinion that hardware drum machines are becoming dated. just get a software sampler... you can do so much with them... either have real drum sounds, or tweak sounds to make your own... |
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just get some spoons, and go all squarepusher on a dj's ass. |
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'the dj's ass' not 'a dj's ass', what was I thinking? |
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get a Zoom RT-323 i think thats what it is called...good mix of sounds...not much editing but kick ass TR-909 and TR-808 are not worth getting there are so many replicas that sound better and more versatile |
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again... sampler is the best you can have 909sounds... 808 sounds... real sounds, your own sounds its great personalizes your sound |
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I don't think that a musical instrument can become "dated", as in obsolete. Perhaps a specific sound or style of playing can become cliche or banal, but creative people have always and will always find new uses for old toys. |
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yes... but i mean... its dated in the sense that it used to be the new cutting edge thing! WOW! Drum sounds in a box! But now there is so much more you can do... you can sample sounds, and have complete control... with a drum machine, you are going to get a very specific sound if thats what your looking for... then ok... but i much rather have total control over the sound... plus, to change the sounds on a drummachine, or the compression or some effect... youd have to run it through some kind of effects processer... were as on a sampler, its all built in... |
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I would suggest you get a Boss Dr. 660 and a compressor(compression is very important if you learn to use it it will make your drums sound much better). The 660 has 808 and 909 kits in it and it will run you a lot less money. the 808 909 are classic collecters items, and yes the sounds are cool but you will end up paying a lot and not get very many sounds. The 660 doesnt have as many outputs as the 808 909, but it does have two individual outputs, so your kicks & snares can be routed seperately(very important). With the 660 it will be alot easier to save what you've made, much more user friendly. I dont know what equipment you already have or your studio knowledge. |
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if you want total control over the sound, then get max/msp, supercollider, or if you're on windows, csound. and total control implies that it's difficult to use, and often not as realtime. especially if all you have for control is a mouse, a keyboard, and a MIDI controller (though depending on which controller, you might have quite a bit of realtime control over certain paramaters). I agree that UNMODIFIED drum machines like the x0x series, and most sample-based drum machines, have specific, often boring sounds. But some drum machines offer real-time control of many paramaters AND are simple to use. And the fact that I can plug my RY-30 into any compressor, reverb, or distortion pedal I want is a lot more encouraging to me than a sampler with built in effects that might not suit my needs. The most attractive aspect of software is the capability to create personalised synths, and even moreso personalised user interfaces. I think that the user interface, not necessarily the sound, is the key to a creatively encouraging instrument, machine, or system. |
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user interface is exactly what i like about software. the software ive used helps me do things alot faster and easier than if i was using hardware because everything is right there in front of you and you dont have to wire things with messy cables or load things with disks that arent labeled and cant find your sounds. ive got over 6000 sounds in my computer ready to go and a bunch of programs each which i use for a different purpose. fruityloops starts a song. cool edit tweaks and effects it. orion pro arranges it and is my performance tool. of course there are others for their own use but software is wonderful. although those es-1's are kinda cool too. but they are just a less featured fruityloops in a box if you ask me. although i wouldnt doubt autechre uses those. no other hardware machine allows you to edit the patterns in real time on the fly like those er machines. you just tap where you want the sounds and its there. |
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