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npr is saying ukraine putting out a lot of good protest music at the moment. i want to hear it |
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Saw a rapper in donbass, who fought in the seperatist militia in a 2015 report about the conflict. Donbass is quite the badass name itself. Havent found a real understanding for their strife to independence. The report already was past explaining it and focused on people living in that area. |
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, michael banabila approved |
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Oh yes, why would ethnic Russians in Donbass want independence. Might have something to do with the Ukrainians perhaps. Bogdan Boutkevitch: Ok, you ask me “How can this be happening?” Well, it happens because Donbass, in general, is not simply a region in a very depressed condition, it has got a whole number of problems, the biggest of which is that it is severely overpopulated with people nobody has any use for. Trust me I know perfectly well what I am saying. If we take, for example, just the Donetsk oblast, there are approximately 4 million inhabitants, at least 1.5 million of which are superfluous. That’s what I mean: we don’t need to [try to] “understand” Donbass, we need to understand Ukrainian national interests. Donbass must be exploited as a resource, which it is. I don’t claim to have a quick solution recipe, but the most important thing that must be done – no matter how cruel it may sound – is that there is a certain category of people that must be exterminated. |
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yeah i get it's more complicated than "Russia Bad Ukraine Good", there's a ton of little republics only recognized by russia that want to rejoin the motherland, but a 40 mile tank column rolling on the capital, starving cities into submission, widespread hostage taking - these are a kind of statement of intent. even if they have melted out into the surroundings when they realised, oops, we might not be seen as liberators here |
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Belb it's the Ukrainians taking civilian hostages and using them as human shields and propaganda. The Russian ambassador to the UN was about this a week ago. They're doing this in Mariupol, a stronghold of Ukrainian fascist militantss with a majority ethnic Russian population. No one gives a fuck about the people! Hillary wants to to bleed Russia! It's so fucking blatant. Everyone is getting played again and it makes me SICK. |
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I see. Thats a clear and awful statement. What have they specifically done in donbass to ethnic russians? Id really like to know more. Have there been actual shootings or executions? Usually a genocide doesnt go unnoticed easily. And what have other countries done to put an end to this? There are a lot of regions wanting independence because they feel culturally unrelated and financially exploited, by their government, but sadly havent seen that going well anywhere really. |
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Shelling in Donbass by Ukrainians has killed 14,000 ethnic Russians, including children, since 2014, but this wasn't important enough for Western media to pay much attention to. Or any attention? I sure didn't hear about it. |
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I wouldn't be so sure about the ukraines hostage scenario. Also there is a lot of international media present in ukraine. I cant believe news would be so onesided. Agree though that its horrible to let others die in the superpowers fight over power. Ill check the links. |
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I heard about this. Who was there first? Armed seperatists or state army? Afaik the region voted out of ukraine, but i dont know a country that simply accepted that. So eho started to fight? |
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Yeah ive seen people live in cellars during their fight for independence. Wondering now how did it get this far. And i know this war has had immense casualties. |
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i heard this on the (supposedly impartial yet more and more right-leaning) bbc world service - granted i don't speak ukrainian so the translation could be bullshit but she talked about russian-speaking men in civilian clothes herding families onto buses then driving them to the frontlines as hostages. i think both sides are using psyop manuals and media manipulation, i mean why wouldn't you |
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Yeah hardly a chance to be sure whos doing what. Dont expect anyone to play fair in war. |
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Not much to gain for ukraine playing dirty like that though. Might lose public support. |
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According to Wikipedia militant seperatists groups took over federal buildings in 2014. Doesnt sound very rightful to me. More like what happens in a coup d'etat. |
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To me it sounds a fitting prerequisite for Russia to legitimize its invasion. |
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It's very rude for ethnic Russians to resist getting genocided by literal Nazis! They should be more polite, in a rules based international order that modestly looks the other way while it happens. |
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Sorry for linking to this dopey alt video site, but the copy on youtube makes you sign in, confirm your age and click through multiple warnings. Almost as though someone doesn't want you to watch it. |
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cant get the video to play. where is this genocide before the militant seperatist move in 2014? in a rapport about the history of the conflict the only thing i found is the burning of russian books by ukranian neofascists. hardly justifies a militant uprising, but i havent read all about the ukraine, yet. reading into a more detailed history of the ukraine on wikipedia year by year now. ok its been a constant struggle in that region including the krim. however i see no federal violence as of yet coming from kiew until the seperatist military move from 2014 after the end of Janukowytsch´s pro russian government. where on the other hand many peaceful protesters were killed. so to be clear what you are talking about. you say the ukranian army committed genocide during its fight against the prorussian seperatists? that view may be understandable if you grew up in that warzone, but to me it looked like they grabbed a gun first and from reports (at least of 2015) they exchanged their wounded soldiers too. no genocide here. doesnt mean i dont see this as a massive humane catastrophe. dont get me wrong. this war probabbly could have ended years ago if it were not for both russian and western interests. by all means all i see is potential for the end of all fighting by letting donbass be a russian protected seperate state and a western supported ukraine, as i suggested earlier. |
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actual music in this thred: great performers, belarus answer to atari teenage riot |
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