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Stop using bells in your idm
 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 10:12 [#02432498]
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«Experimental electronic» musiciens too often end up with
bell-like sounds in their compositions. Fucking tubular
bells. Fucking short sines with long reverbs and high pitch
on top. Fucking gamelans. Fucking synth marimbas. Fucking
hang drums.

Plaid are among these sinners. Tapage. Now playing: a
randomly found album Cagey House — June Through The Window.
Lots of fucking bells in there.

Look, there are folks who do not stuff bells in their music
and it is still exceptionally original and interesting.

Trust me: stuffing bells in your IDM is not cool. Obviously.
Bells do not fit in the very concept of IDM.

Drum'n'bells. Fuck it. Better than dubstep, but still gets
deleted way before the final notes have aired.

Placing a NO GMO-like sticker on releases seems not a bad
idea. No drum'n'bells. No dubstep. Hooray! No shit for my
ears! Definitely a buy then.

Loong time no post.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2012-04-06 10:13 [#02432499]
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This thread is now a Plaid appreciation thread.

Game on.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 10:16 [#02432500]
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No way!


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2012-04-06 10:18 [#02432501]
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But is it really too often though. I never heard many bells,
apart from Plaid. Do you have some Autechre bells in store,
for example? There probably are examples, but whether those
examples are good or not haven't got much to do with those
damned bells, imo.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 10:27 [#02432502]
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As far as I remember, Ae do not have bells in their music,
which is a good fact.


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2012-04-06 10:33 [#02432503]
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Aphex using bells?


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 10:50 [#02432508]
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Not in a bad way, if yes.


 

offline broken phillip on 2012-04-06 10:52 [#02432509]
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LFO


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 10:57 [#02432510]
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i.e. Aphex Twin — Nannou. It is good despite the bellish sounds.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 11:01 [#02432511]
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Well, Bell is only his last name, I am not against having
bells in last names.

Mark Fell > Mark Bell. This has to be said.


 

online horsefactory on 2012-04-06 12:59 [#02432516]
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parhelic triangle has bells and they sound :cool:


 

offline melack from barcielwave on 2012-04-06 13:07 [#02432517]
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in your terminal case, i prescript mood bells by cylob


 

offline HIGHLANDER from The Savage Nation on 2012-04-06 13:14 [#02432518]
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IDM is a FAKE genre


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2012-04-06 13:15 [#02432519]
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XMD5a has bells and is all the better for it.



 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 13:28 [#02432521]
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Indeed. I never even thought these were bells while
listening to the track. Was pleasantly distracted by the
overall goodness of the track. → if others do such
tracks with bells, it is ok for me.

To clarify things, I first noticed the bells problem in
Tapage's album Seven. It is great at first listen. Then more
than half of tracks goes to trash. A day or two later you
can not ignore the bells over nice percussion in the last
track you liked the most anymore. And it is trashed.

After that I started to notice bells much more frequently in
other albums from various blogs.

I believe the problem does exist, though several people out
of 7 billion can make good IDM even with bells. Not
surprised that Autechre can. They are Google of IDM.


 

offline Chihiro from twins land on 2012-04-06 13:30 [#02432522]
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I like bells in any music genres... There are plenty of
different ways to use bell sounds in "idm" or other types of
music.

It's like saying... Stop using strings in Rock music...
Oh, and no more Clarinet in classical music please...

Come on!!! I say go for it all.... As long as it makes for
a pleasing end result, what are the limitations?!


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 13:36 [#02432523]
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Compare XMD5a to Tapage — One Of Seven to understand what I mean.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 13:39 [#02432524]
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This is exactly the case: it doesn't please me. The fuck it
doesn't.

And no, bells in idm is not the same as strings in rock! One
is absolutely not obliged to use bells in idm, while strings
are inevitable for guitars. Midi guitar is not a guitar, it
is a midi controller in shape of guitar.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2012-04-06 13:48 [#02432525]
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afx @ metz this one the bell/tuss chime is such a
highlight when it comes in.
excellent bells in my fav ae track

i dont exactly know where all this hate for bells comes
from. they are so rich sounding and im all into temples n
stuff right now so i like them loads. thing is i dont really
think of proper chime/bell sounds being used that often. i
know what you mean about those boring sine glockenspiel
style plinkplonks in idm but they are only a chime in the
sense they have a long decay they usually dont have any
other fun chime properties.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 13:49 [#02432526]
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I meant three of seven. The link is correct, the link title
isn't.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 13:53 [#02432527]
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Ok, your words are more correct. Glockenspiel, plinkplonks.
That's more what I mean.

Thread is now renamed to 'Stop using glockenspiel in your
idm'.

I like parhelic triangle; mentioned that in this thread. No
plinkplonks in it, as well as in XMD5a.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2012-04-06 13:56 [#02432528]
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trashy bells some future shit

i really like fake bells atm


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2012-04-06 13:59 [#02432529]
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i will use all the bells


 

online horsefactory on 2012-04-06 14:01 [#02432530]
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xlt vibrd 19: bell vibes


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2012-04-06 14:01 [#02432531]
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woah plaid rule i forgot


 

online horsefactory on 2012-04-06 14:01 [#02432532]
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vibes*


 

offline RussellDust on 2012-04-06 14:03 [#02432533]
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maphive 6.1 is sort of bell-y too.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 14:05 [#02432534]
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That is what the thread is about. How can anyone want to
compose using such sounds? With these high-pitch
overtones... bleh.

Or maybe i'm old now and do not physically hear the fun in
it, hidden somewhere in super high frequencies?


 

offline j4ck from United Kingdom on 2012-04-06 14:07 [#02432535]
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idm is for bell ends


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 14:12 [#02432536]
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Ae can do what they want. We've renamed the thread, bells
have become glockenspiel and plinkplonks. I don't remember
already, but will risk on saying Maphive doesn't have any
glockenspiel or plinkplonks → thank god.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 14:13 [#02432537]
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Mask them well with all the effects.


 

offline RussellDust on 2012-04-06 14:15 [#02432538]
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I thought you didn't remember? But yes it probably has no
bells used. But it sounds Bell-y at times. To me. Nice to
see you back you miserable cunt.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2012-04-06 14:16 [#02432539]
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LAZY_TITLE wow im really glad i found this.

ah dont worry about my love for tacky synth bells i get why
theres no charm in it for a lot of people that actually want
to hear good sounds lol. i just like them they stir a weird
kind of recycled trash culture emotion. its all sickly
nostalgia


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 14:17 [#02432540]
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Plaid are great, thank them for Headspin track. But they are
too chimy for my angry taste in some tracks. i.e. 'Marry'


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 14:25 [#02432541]
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Nice to see me back? I'm touched!


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2012-04-06 14:30 [#02432543]
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marry is like my favourite plaid song :o


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 14:40 [#02432544]
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Is it medically nice for them?


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 14:44 [#02432546]
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Shit.

I mentioned an album of Cagey House. It has ended, and
another album of somebody called Helico Bacter started to
play.

Goddamn bells from the first note.

And you say there is no such problem.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2012-04-06 14:58 [#02432549]
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these bells here, after it being maybe a decade since i
first heard them, still chill me when i play them in my
mind. very fearsome bells
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline j4ck from United Kingdom on 2012-04-06 15:21 [#02432551]
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LAZY_The bells the bells


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-06 15:27 [#02432552]
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Have you read this thread thoroughly?


 

offline taking_the_piz on 2012-04-06 18:34 [#02432564]
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Those plinkyplonky glockenspiel bells are typically for the
early 2000's. Right at the point where everyone was going
for those Ae-lite sounds. Think Funkstorung and the likes.

There's lots of good plinkyplonky tracks, imo. But that
tapage track you posted isn't one of them. I can agree with
that.

It's just that tapage album and those newer plaid tracks you
dislike, i think. And basically, the glockenspiel has become
irrelevant since 2005.


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2012-04-07 02:02 [#02432589]
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gew = few

(we knew what you ment, no need to xtra post horsey)


 

offline paige__turner from Sultan City (Barbados) on 2012-04-08 04:48 [#02432619]
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bellodies are sort of out of fashion after 2003, is my
general opinion.


 

offline j4ck from United Kingdom on 2012-04-08 07:41 [#02432625]
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no, threads like this thoroughly bore me


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-08 09:06 [#02432627]
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It is good that they're out of fashion. So now people only
have to stop producing them bellodies by inertia.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2012-04-08 09:08 [#02432628]
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I'm so sorry.


 

offline AphexAcid from Sweden on 2012-04-08 12:39 [#02432632]
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I like bells.
And gamelan.
And jegog. But you never hear that.


 

offline yann_g from now on 2012-04-12 08:11 [#02432814]
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Why would people stop using bells (or glockenspiel)? When
they should stop using their software TB303.


 

offline broken phillip on 2012-04-12 09:22 [#02432816]
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Rock the BELLS


 


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