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? Truth is that we dont know truth. Can we find another truth, pls post? Everything, seems to me, is build on sences and feelings including science and religion. |
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yea but you establish truth with friends. together you find cooperative logic as best you can. |
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yes but how you know it is truth? You can feel it is best things you can know but, how you can be sure that you in right way? |
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dont put too much importance in truth i think. whats the point. everyone has there own idea of it, so its only defined by the schooling you choose right = if you make things good. good = if you do not hurt people and make the world shitty. truth is forever elusive but fuckit ;) |
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But ampi max if you dont know truth every your action maybe is false, everything, work you done is worthless, and you are going wrong way, how can you say that is uninportant? |
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Is Quaristice masterpiece or crap? :) |
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"Everything, seems to me, is build on sences and feelings including science and religion." isn't that a huge part of the answer you were looking for? what we call truth is something we arrive at from using our senses and feelings. there's no way of being certain that what we consider true now will hold true later, but that's how life is structured. we have to take the chance to perform potentially worthless actions. |
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As far as art goes there's no objective way to measure its quality, but art has a history and "intersubjective" quality.. Even so, everyone is alone in deciding what art means to them. As far as truth goes, I believe truth is the same as physical reality. All that is real is true, and that we know and perceive some of these truths. |
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Can we trust our senses? Practic shows oposit. Things we are touching is not solid it is emptyness. World we see is different then it sees onother people. We dont know were we are, we dont know what are we doing and why are we doing things that we dont rly want to do - we seek pleasures, knowledge and so on. We are executable biologycal electrochemical interactive programs, becouse we play only in certain field, we cant go outside, we are in the dark rly. Talking further...I dont think programs necessarily have to have creator. For me uninteligent movement can be cos of inteligent body. |
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I meen how can you know for sure that even what you experience now (art, music, poetry, philosophy) is real, you dont even question, you just sprt of "take" things. So how can you be sure? Your one statement is objection to other statement you said. "everyone is alone in deciding what art means" and "<...>truth is the same as physical reality". We perceiving reality in different ways it is obvious I like tuss, other maybe not and so on. I mean physical reality is different to everyone of us, so this physical reality dont exist (we see world in different ways, and we use it by using aproximating methods, not arithmetic). |
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well, you are looking for absolute certainty and i think that is a problematic ideal. we can't have absolute certainty, because our mind simply works in such a way that we can question every statement. looking for absolute certainty is like seeing that the fridge is empty, closing it, opening it, finding it empty again, closing it, opening it, finding it empty again, opening it, finding it empty again, closing it and so on and so on. so i agree, we can't trust our senses if we expect to get a 100% correct picture of reality. but it's impossible for us to think anything that can't in some way be questioned. to put it in a oversimplified way. we can put the words "Is it really the case, that ..." in front of every possible statement and thus question it. so, i think one has to accept that in everything on does one faces the risk of doing something that is incredibly silly, because, we, as human beings, don't posess knowledge of absolute certainty. |
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We cant know for sure that we cant know absolute certainity that is a problem. I feel that you right saing that we cant know absolute certainity but I cant proof it. Yes I agree that we do not have any knowlage of absolute certainity, but this simply cant be proof, that absolute certainty cant be understanded. |
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