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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2009-11-25 08:16 [#02346809]
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out now
didn't see a topic about it before.
i for myself am very excited although i haven't used max a lot before simply being used to reaktor 5 and not really needing anything else.
but what i hated about reaktor 5 + ableton was binding them together - either over virtual midi cables, or as a vst that was a highly inconvenient task. i like the fact that now i can open up an ableton track and having everything in it ready after launch.
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2009-11-25 08:19 [#02346810]
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i am looking forward to this, been having some max/msp classes lately
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Advocate
on 2009-11-25 08:29 [#02346811]
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this has enormous potential, that's for sure.
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Advocate
on 2009-11-25 08:32 [#02346813]
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like said in the youtube comments, this could be the only daw you need.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2009-11-25 08:32 [#02346814]
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for a few yeah. although i expect just a few people really being able to do good stuff with it. the same thing with every "groundbreaking" thinking - monome etc.
for me personally this is something very awesome because i'm a lot into building midi stuff and instead of having to reprogram the unit itself i will be able to do various stuff right in ableton.
i just hope that this will be cpu friendly.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2009-11-25 08:34 [#02346815]
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not cracked yet... crap
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Advocate
on 2009-11-25 08:39 [#02346818]
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yeah, max is really difficult and time consuming, but it might be more fun and/or user friendly to play with it inside live. we'll see.
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Terence Hill
from Germany on 2009-11-25 08:40 [#02346820]
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it's nice, but a bit of a rip-off innit?
you won't be able to share patches if i understand correctly - that is you can share them, but they can only be used by people who also own both Live & M4L. All i'd ever need from M4L is an OSC wrapper (which probably will be built by someone really soon) to have complete access to the Live API from within e.g. Processing, but i'm not going to pay 300 Euros for that.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2009-11-25 08:40 [#02346821]
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yeah if i'm not mistaken max has always had very good copy protection. i'd expect to wait a while.
but yeah, the things that are coming out specifically for ableton right now are strongly solidifying it as the daw of choice for anyone.
a buddy of mine has the new APC and it is amazing how easily you can get around the software just with that controller without any custom bindings or anything. it completely turned around his workflow and now he cranks out like 2 tracks a week.
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Terence Hill
from Germany on 2009-11-25 08:49 [#02346828]
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these dedicated controllers are fun.... i've got a Launchpad, not using it with Live directly though.. it's very limited in the standard intended usage, but also made for being customized for M4L things and usable with anything through MIDI. It's all very nice, extended midi manipulation has been really lacking in Live, and now it's out, great. But these fuckers are just asking too much money.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2009-11-25 11:35 [#02346870]
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i don't know. i tried to implement controllers and different approaches into my workflow but i just always ended up just using the mouse and fruity loops for best effect. on the other hand maybe that's why my music is so freaking cold.
on the other hand, when it comes to playing live i always tried to get the most out of reaktor and different controllers and make some nice setup.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-25 14:42 [#02346900]
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I have a jitter related max/msp question. Will any of you be able to answer it for me?
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Terence Hill
from Germany on 2009-11-25 14:50 [#02346902]
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maybe a little
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2009-11-25 14:50 [#02346903]
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not me for sure
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2009-11-25 15:02 [#02346908]
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i want operator
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-25 15:11 [#02346911]
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Right I'm working on a music visualiser which takes the pc audio signal and manipulates various video elements in time with the sound.
The patch is set up as follows
9 videos loaded in jit.qt.movie objects which go to jit.chromakey objects where they all get loaded on top of each other then are output to a jit.gl.videoplane and jit.window
my problem is with the frame rate. I have re-rendered the source videos as 640 x 480 photo-jpeg .mov's, tried loading them in to ram and asyncreading etc etc etc but I still can't get a frame rate higher than about 12 fps.
Any ideas? I'm on pc by the way and converting to UVYV and back just seems to fuck up the video window (but I'm probably doing it wrong). Any ideas on optimisation?
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Terence Hill
from Germany on 2009-11-25 15:44 [#02346917]
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dunno rly. try to localize the problem, like play back the videos normally, what fps do you get etc... intuitively i'd say the it's the source video files' compression.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-25 15:48 [#02346920]
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Source video files are optimally compressed for max playback. I could get maybe 1 or 2 fps extra using that apple codec whose name I don't remember. I think it might be the number of videos running simultaneously. They run far faster in movie and imovie objects but of course these can't be connected to jitter objects and so are ultimately useless. The videos are only 12 frames long so it might be time to convert them to big grid jpegs are and using fpic or whatever and seeing how that pans out.
groovy.
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